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I'm trying to find out what this gun looked like when it was built. I'm thinking of taking it back to original.
Cheers
Terry
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Hi Terry ... :)
... and welcome ... :thup:
Although the rifle in the link below was manufactured by BSA, not LSA, it's essentially correct enough for you to see what's changed in your rifle, which has been "sporterized" at sometime in its life ... ;)
1917 ShtLE (Short Lee-Enfield) No.1 MkIII* (click here)
I've also moved your thread to the Lee Enfield Collectors Forums where you'll probably get a broader response ...
Hope this helps ... :D
Regards,
Badger
Thank you Badger.
Looks do-able! It will need a complete fore end assembly, but that shouldn't be difficult. If the bore is in good shape have at it!:thup:
In 1917 LSA was still making the No.1 Mark III and not the No.1 Mark III* as you can see from the picture of your butt socket.
I would expect a restoration to have a magazine cut-off and a windage adjustable rear sight. A Mark III would also have a forestock inletted for a front and rear volley sight set, but I'm unsure if LSA made a hybrid Mark III later in WWI which excluded them - comments?
On closer examination of your pictures it would sem the barrel was replaced in 1927 so the chances are that the windage adjustable sight was dropped but the magazine cut-of was retained at that time.
Amatikulu,Quote:
Originally Posted by Amatikulu
I have a 1916 LSA Mk III that has the mag cutoff and original windage rear sight but sports a non-inletted stock that is numbered to the rifle. Seemed strange to me that it would have had the stock updated without the sight replaced and cutoff removed.
Regards,
George
George, Has the back sight been 'pinned', preventing adjustment?
terryj, LSA rifles have a bit of mystique to them and have been a collector's favorite for years, well worth recovering to original configuration. As, Amitikulu, mentioned the rifle recieved inter war attention. A fore end without provision for volley sights, but clearanced for the cut-off would have been installed along with a non windage adjustable back sight.
Merry Christmas, Brad
Bradtx,Quote:
Originally Posted by bradtx
No, the backsight is not pinned and functions normally. Actually, the only pinned backsights I have seen were on the Indian .303's converted to shotguns.
Regards,
George
Thanks for the replies, I'm learning a lot.(the wife shakes her head at me at 2am while I'm scanning the net) Does anyone have any idea where to get these parts?
Is it worth replacing the rear sight back, it shoots right on the money now, although it would give me an excuse to shoot it more.
Cheers and stay safe over the holiday season.
All the best to you and yours.
Terryj try looking here for starts, some time one gets lucky with Numrich
Firearm Parts and Accessories | Numrich Gun Parts Corp. | e-GunParts.com
Also, Springfield Sporters seems to be a good source of parts.
I'd leave the rear sight alone for now. Don't worry w/ volley sight fore end and other parts, due to your '27 vintage barrel its entirely OK to leave those bits off.
Pattern14, I believe the reference to a "pinned" rear sight is about formerly windage adjustable sights that have had the adjustment knob and cross shaft cut off flush, w/ the remainder locked in place by a vertical pin. The elevation adjustment was not affected.
Re the 'pinning' of backsights. As a matter of interest, although I don't have a lot of experience with No1 rifles and the earler variants, we did have hundreds of No1 DP's EY's and a few hundred service Cadet Forces No1 rifles under our wing, I never saw a pinned backsight of all the many variables we ever came across. In fact No1 rifle backsight assemblies were one of the parts that were still available from Ordnance Stores (together with Bayonet grips/screws as I seem to recall.........) So any oddball backsight we encountered on a 3 or 3*, we simply replaced with a fixed/screw-on cap backsight assembly. I also seem to recall that when we got them, they were wrapped in brown greasy paper and had an axis pin fitted too. But the axis pin was a cheapo pin with hollowed ends that you just gently peened over to secure in place......, just like the Sterling SMG butt and backsight axis pin. In fact I kept a slack handfull* '.......just in case', as you do!
* slack handfull. A REME technical term indicating a sizeable quantity in excess of that normally required. Generally retained for ones own use in the future
That explains the axis pin mystery! Seen 'em before, but didn't knoe the origins.
Two types of "pinned" backsight being discussed here:
1) Early windage adjustable rear that had the windage feature eliminated as above. (most likely done when the windage feature became U/S)
2) .410" smoothbore single shot rear sight that was pinned through the elevation adjustment.
Plus now, Captain Laidler's rear sight "retaining" or axis pin that passes through the rear sight block afixed to the barrel, replacing the three piece axis pin assembly.
Just so's were all on the same page, here....