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Hey guys,
Can anyone tell me more about this No4 MK1. This one looks a little rough. Would this have been original? or due to rebuild? Besides the marks shown - has Canada Broad Arrow C. Don't know much about these. I've been reading up on them a little but thought I'd post a few pic's & see what input I could gather.
JLS
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...g?t=1261620608https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...g?t=1261620646https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...g?t=1261620709
Sorry I can't be more helpful, but this monitor shows too much dark area to get any real detail. (Not your fault!)
Mag is either shortened or aftermarket. The rough exterior is how it was made! There was a war on, and all... Possibly 1942 mfg., but here I'm kinda blind. Help!:sos:
More pictures of the complete rifle would be grand!
Looking at the dire state of the workmanship and the 'A' prefix to the serial number, meaning that replacement parts would require acdegree of hand selection and fitting, I'd say that there was a reasonably good to definate bet that it was one of Fazakerley's better offerings.
March 1942 Fazakerley?
If the number is "M22320" then its a nice early rifle. If the "A" is the prefix instead (looking at the fonts), then "A22320" would make it number 2,320 off the production line.
That's a mighty weird set of butt socket markings you have there! (Now at Bat Cave II, about 100km from the first.)
Looks like both an "E" and an "A" S/N suffix! Plus a "'squiggly'/42" mark above... AND no suffix after the "ROF".
I'm guessing its been "Bubba'd" a bit since there's no handguard or retaining ring, hopefully the barrel hasn't been lopped off or some such. Good two position sight still! And no apparent refinish, its got potential.
ETA Can't tell about the S/N Now it looks more like M22326. Maybe the "A" is just bad out of place...
It looks to me like the serial number is M-22326 with the A suffix slightly above, due to the fact that the skilled number stamper has run out of space.
The rest LOOKS to me like ROF 6 (6 double stamped by said skilled stamper) followed by the 42 date followed by serial number. Typical Fazakerley stuff. And don't forget, later, they made Triumph Cars there.................... Oh yes, it's now a world heritage city of culture
Y'all have fun, now. Where I'm off to there may not be internet! Definitely not in the woods of eastern Tennessee, unless the critters are hooked up.
:wave:
JLS, Looks like it hasn't been rearsenaled, or the back sight would've been replaced at the very least. The "ENGLAND" stamp shows it was imported into the US prior to 1968. At some point it was sporterized into a hunting rifle common at the time.
If the barrel has it's bayonet lugs still, it can be recovered to original condition fairly easily, otherwise enjoy it as a hunter/shooter.
Merry Christmas, Brad
PS We do make a lot of well spirited fun of those that stamped the buttsockets at Fazakerley and Maltby.
Whats the deal with the magazine? seems a bit short.
How many rounds will it hold? Supposed to hold 10
Farmritch
I've seen more than one home made 5 shot magazine, to make it legal for hunting in the states. This may be one.
Thanks for the input guys & Merry Christmas.
Unfortunately the stock has been cut down & yes there is some sort of five round replacement mag. This one was given to me years ago & I just dug it out of the closet for research. Now I have some more info to go on.
Thanks,
JLS
It looks as though it's had some marking milled off at the rear of the body. Has it?
It clearly hasn't been back for a FTR (or re-arsenaled as you wild savage colonials say.....) as we'd have sifted out the A suffix rifles out. But don't place too much store in the type of backsight fitted. Because while the Mk2 and 3 and variations were obsolescent, they were not obsolete. So while they were still serviceable, they remained in service. The flip-over and fabricated sights were on service rifles right up until the end and by then, they'd probably all been to Field and Base workshops lots of times
Fazakerley and Liverpool....., city of culture and home of Triumph Dolomite and TR7 sports cars.............. Anyone ever admit to owning one? I saw a mis-print in the newspapers here, describing them as sports CANS instead of sports CARS. maybe they were correct after all!
Peter we also had a rather good factory produceing a very good rifle indeed my grandfather worked there during WW11 as a room foreman, The triumph was replaced by ford and now Jaguar not a bad progression.
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