WWII TEL STG C NO 32 MK II Sniper Scope for Enfield

WWII TEL STG C NO 32 MK II Sniper Scope for Enfield
R.E.L. CANADA 1945 COS.1650A

As found on ebay: eBay.ca: WWII TEL STG C NO 32 MK II Sniper Scope for Enfield (item 130147632318 end time 05-Sep-07 20:52:17 EDT)
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An interesting thing about this scope is it's serial number. If we go to the bible "Without Warning" by Clive Law, on page 54, Clive gives his opinion that the mk2 scopes ranged up to serial 650C. This one is a bit higher than that (685C). Not sure where Clive comes up with that number, since the REL scopes were cumalative in serial numbers until the Mk3 scope went into production. If you look at the quantities produced at the top of the page, they total up to 694, so it may be likely that higher numbers than the one shown on ebay exist. These production numbers only go to Sept of 45, so it may go higher yet.

The other thing this photo shows us is that there is a misprint on the bottom of the page in the book. The ordnance stores number given for a Cdn mk2 scope is COS1560A, and this photo shows that number to be COS1650A.

So get out your pencils and make the corrections.

I would love to get this scope to go on my Cdn marked/ Brit produced sniper rifle, but alas, I cancelled my account in a fit of rebellion over the new ebay firearms parts policy, and as well, I suspect it will go fairly high.

My money says that it will sell for around $1700. Anyone want to start a pool?

That would help explain the recorded discrepency between the # of produced scopes & rifles.

I'm starting to dislike this particular forum though....

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Originally Posted by stencollector

I would love to get this scope to go on my Cdn marked/ Brit produced sniper rifle, but alas, I cancelled my account in a fit of rebellion over the new ebay firearms parts policy, and as well, I suspect it will go fairly high.

My money says that it will sell for around $1700. Anyone want to start a pool?

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Great infomation Rob.... :thup:

Thanks ... :)

The only thing ~Angel~ doesn't have in her Enfield sniper collection is an all correct No.32 Mk2 scope. Maybe she'll take a big run at this one ... :lol:

Regards,
Badger

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Originally Posted by Lee Enfield

I'm starting to dislike this particular forum though....

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Do explain???

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Originally Posted by Lee Enfield

I'm starting to dislike this particular forum though....

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Oh yeah? Whatever for?

I think he's saying "tongue in cheek" that he was hoping that that auction would stay under the radar and he'd have a chance to take a shot at it with a lower price himself .... :madsmile:

It's pretty hard to keep anything a secret on the Internet today, particularly when you have a lot of milsurp collectors and several forums all talking "shop" most of the time.

Before I saw stencollector's post, I already had received two emails (addressed to ~Angel~) from two different forums, pointing her to this auction. :lol:

In fact, I had already prepared an advisory ad in the For Sale or Auction section of the Quartermaster Stores, which I've sinced published.

Regards,
Badger

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Originally Posted by Badger

I think he's saying "tongue in cheek" that he was hoping that that auction would stay under the radar and he'd have a chance to take a shot at it with a lower price himself .... :madsmile:

It's pretty hard to keep anything a secret on the Internet today, particularly when you have a lot of milsurp collectors and several forums all talking "shop" most of the time.

Before I saw stencollector's post, I already had received two emails (addressed to ~Angel~) from two different forums, pointing her to this auction. :lol:

In fact, I had already prepared an advisory ad in the For Sale or Auction section of the Quartermaster Stores, which I've sinced published.

Regards,
Badger

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It's going to go high regardless, but I'd prefer to weed out those just looking for a scope.

Or a good time:surrender:

Well, checked my books and I owned Mk. II REL 685 at one time and it was a scope only. I still have one a few numbers under it: Mk. II, and the stores number is: COS 1650A. In fact, that scope (685) was the reason we noticed that the numbers repeated on each Mk. of the REL scope. Not sequential as was claimed at the time. REL was a very INTERESTING company...too bad most of the records were destroyed. I've found more in the UK on REL than in Canada. Someday the story will be written.

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Originally Posted by wheaty

In fact, that scope (685) was the reason we noticed that the numbers repeated on each Mk. of the REL scope. Not sequential as was claimed at the time.

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Repeated with each mk scope, or just repeated once it hit the mk3 scopes?

Clive was of the opinion that mk1 ran from 1C to 300C (with a few unexplained scopes in the 400s) , 1A ran from 300C to 470C, and mk2 scopes ran from 475 to 650. Then the mk3 scopes started again from 1C to 342C (or so).

Can you clarify if your numbers disagree with this? I doubt I will ever see enough REL scopes to make a correlation on the numbers, so I have to trust those who have.

Hi All,

Its an intressing post to read, but I have two things that I think are an mis interpretaion of the facts (at least thats my personal interpretation):

First off all the COS of an Mk II is 1650. Just like thier British counterparts.

Second, the s/n range for the Mk1a scope started below the #300. I Own an Mk 1a with the serial number 264-C. The scope body hasn't been scrubed or renumberd.

So I agree that REL was an interresting company with lots of un explained "habits".

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Originally Posted by 303sniper

Hi All,


First off all the COS of an Mk II is 1650. Just like thier British counterparts.

Second, the s/n range for the Mk1a scope started below the #300. I Own an Mk 1a with the serial number 264-C. The scope body hasn't been scrubed or renumberd.

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I agree with the Ordnance number...just pointing out a misprint in the book.

As to the 1A serial number, the rationalisation for them is hard since 51 mk1 scopes were altered to 1A, and their origional serial numbers maintained. (This is according to "Without Warning".

Harry:
I have Mk.1A number C-1x and will check the others when I have a chance to get to them. I have had both a Mk.1A and a Mk. II with the Mk.1A number being higher than the Mk.II
REL sent a lot of kit to the UK for testing. A number of tests were also done in Canada with many makes and types of scopes. and I have the records, however I will not release them as the humpers would have the rifles with the "correct numbers" on the market within the week. Clive eluded to this in his book, as I supplied information but no numbers for obvious reasons. Something HAS to be sacred....
Drop me a private email. I've sent you a few and no response.

My guesstimate of $1700 was a touch low.....auction ended with a winning bid of just over $2000 Cdn.

The prices on these things just keep going up.

That's incredible, but not surprising given today's hot market... ;)

It appears the winner was from the U.K. ....

Regards,
Badger

I hesitate to admit it, but I dropped out of bidding when I realized I was double the price of my first complete sniper for a "pig in a poke".

I joked around at the 1200-1300 mark, but the guy who got it seemed to be especially serious. When the next bidder came close to him, he put in another bid, which appears to have been a fair bit higher.

Lee Enfield: Don't concentrate on last years prices, or you will find yourself reflecting on this years prices next year. I don't think anybody is about to open up a crate somewhere and find 100 new in wrap #32 scopes. And even if some government warehouse did, they would just crush them anyway.

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Originally Posted by stencollector

I joked around at the 1200-1300 mark, but the guy who got it seemed to be especially serious. When the next bidder came close to him, he put in another bid, which appears to have been a fair bit higher.

Lee Enfield: Don't concentrate on last years prices, or you will find yourself reflecting on this years prices next year. I don't think anybody is about to open up a crate somewhere and find 100 new in wrap #32 scopes. And even if some government warehouse did, they would just crush them anyway.

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Yeah I love the UN don't you...?:thdown:

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Originally Posted by Badger

I think he's saying "tongue in cheek" that he was hoping that that auction would stay under the radar and he'd have a chance to take a shot at it with a lower price himself .... :madsmile:

It's pretty hard to keep anything a secret on the Internet today, particularly when you have a lot of milsurp collectors and several forums all talking "shop" most of the time.

Before I saw stencollector's post, I already had received two emails (addressed to ~Angel~) from two different forums, pointing her to this auction. :lol:

In fact, I had already prepared an advisory ad in the For Sale or Auction section of the Quartermaster Stores, which I've sinced published.

Regards,
Badger

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You know, he does have a point...what's the likelihood of getting any kind of a deal on anything with this thousand watt searchlight spearing every interesting auction, guaranteeing you have to pay more than market value to get anything...:surrender::crying:

E-bay (and hopefully one day it's replacement) are the market now. That is, unless you can tell me where a shop is that has origional scopes and/or brackets sitting on the shelf.

This site is not what causes things to pop up on the radar. My favorite ebay search term is "Enfield Sniper", and unless someone mispells it Enfeild Snipur, I, and every other Enfield addict, is going to see it on ebay.

And as I have said many times before....if you don't like the prices today, look back in a year and you'll dream of them. The only thing that would kill the Enfield Sniper market is if ebay banned the sniper stuff altogether.

I Have a question? I have acquired a custom gun, built in 1960, the weapon is a

Brit. No.4 Mk1 303 Ca
s.n. 330XX

the weapon sports a
TEL STG. No.32 Mk1
U.I.C. OS. 466A
No.140

Can anyone tell me anything about them...

ROCCKK

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Originally Posted by ROCCKK

I Have a question? I have acquired a custom gun, built in 1960, the weapon is a

Brit. No.4 Mk1 303 Ca
s.n. 330XX

the weapon sports a
TEL STG. No.32 Mk1
U.I.C. OS. 466A
No.140

Can anyone tell me anything about them...

ROCCKK

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Is there a T stamped in the left sidewall near the ejector screw?

A few good pics posted on here would help a lot. It may be a No 4 Mk I T sniper rifle but we can't tell without seeing a few glimpses...

Cannot tell you anything about the rifle without pic's as Cantom already stated, but I can tell you that you have a rare scope, one that I have been on the hunt for a while.

There was about 8,000 Mk I scope's made with most likely less than 300 made by Vickers (UIC). Hopefully the scope has not been refinished or "beautified"; please post pictures if possible and if you ever want to sell.............drop me a note :)