Remington Rand second variation slide marking Dulite

Thank-you to all those who provided help on the correct Keyes grips question. The pair on this one are marked Star 12 and 14 inside. This is the pistol I found in Tampa last week and had transferred to my dealer locally. It is now well oiled and resting in my safe. The Dulite is about 95%; the shine is the light coat of CLP I have on it. Barrel is Springfield Arsenal (SP). I had an "S" marked magazine now mated to it. Will keep looking for a "G" in similar condition to pistol. There was a late war parkerized Remington Rand right next to this one in about 50% condition for $300 more... go figure? I guess they figured the "blued" version was incorrect. Slide stop, safety and mainspring housing are checkered.

Does the Springfield Armory barrel have a heat lot number stamped above the LH lug where the 'S P' is located ?????

I have a couple of extra 'G' General Shaver mags..... and a correct/original 'SP' Type 14 barrel.

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Bob

No heat lot number. Should there be? The 1911 page shows both as correct. I would love to chat about one of the "G" mags.

nice looking pistola!!:thup:

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Originally Posted by Arisaka99

No heat lot number. Should there be? The 1911 page shows both as correct. I would love to chat about one of the "G" mags.

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Yes, there should be a Heat Lot number on your bbl. S and P on either lugs is an earlier mfd bbl for a WWI era Springfield.

My email is usgi45s@hotmail.com

Bob

The photo shows that your RR has a Colt 1911 slide stop....

This is one of the ~3k WWI style slide stops purchased from Colt perhaps? Could the barrel also be a left over part from early production parts purchases from Springfield? Thank-you very much for your eyes on this one; the expertise is deeply appreciated. I am limited to date to google and some minimal personal observations.

Here is a photo comparison of a 1911 slide stop with a New In The Box Type II Remington Rand that has a DuLite finish... This RR has a slotted slide stop and is a later gun SN 1013501.. Note that the 1911 slide stop is undercut below the thumb area...

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...00594JPG-1.jpg

Thanks John. Appreciate the time taken with the photos. Thank-you to Bob as well for his PM and email comments. Some "off kilter" parts on this one it seems.

Brad, You have a very nice early type 2 Remington Rand. An S mag is possible since Rem Rand used S, R, L and G marked magazines, not just G.

I missed the grip part but I would expect to see no ring grips on a Rem Rand that early. That may have been covered already. Do not worry about the numbers, the grips often have different numbers because those are merely the number on a given mold.

On the barrel, I have seen a few probably original barrels without a heat lot number but am not certain that is correct. It seems it could be correct since many of the parts used on early Rem Rands came from Springfield and some were left over from WW1. You can check the wear patterns where the barrel contacts the slide and get an idea if the two parts have been together for a long time therefore supporting probable originality. 1911 slide stops do come up on early Rem Rands and early Ithacas. This happened as late as Feb. 1943 at Rem Rand according to Clawson. The slide stop on John's pistol would not be correct for your much earlier pistol IMHO.


If it were my pistol I would not change a thing. That is my personal preference because so many guns have been made correct according to a book or an expert only to later discover that they were original before they were messed with. That being said, I often will get the parts I think or know that are wrong and put them aside for that pistol for possible future use or for sale with the pistol. That way the potential buyer can have the parts to make it "correct" to his satisfaction. The parts seem to be going up in value faster than the pistol so having them is a plus in any event.

Very nice pistol even if, and maybe not, a small part or two is not original. Congratulations on a nice find.

Mike,

Normally you and I agree.... but not on this particular barrel issue. I would agree if this TII had a plain 'SP' on the LH lug, without a Heat Lot number, and a stepped belly transition..... but that's not the case here. A much earlier 'S' and 'P' on both lugs and probably a smooth belly transition, would indicate a mid WWI production barrel. Do you actually think another 10000 Springfields manufactured AND an additional 25-30 years of sitting around, and then it ends up in a Type II, after a Type I. As you guys say down south.....'That dog just won't hunt'.

Here is the barrel. Thanks for continuing observations. Is there any other photo that will help?

Brad,

Prior to your barrel pictures, you mentioned the 'S' was on the LH lug, and the 'P' was on the RH lug...... obviously this is not the case. The barrel pictured is a WWII era Springfield that could possibly be correct. This example is normally known as a Field Replacement from between the wars, but some think they were also shipped to Mfrs. early on to initiate WWII production. The later version, with the Heat Lot number were known to be used in very early inital production by RRand, US&S and Ithaca.

Bob; Thanks. I was trying to explain that the S was on the left side and the R on the right side of the link on left hand side. Always better to post photos; didn't have ability when I first described. Thanks for the knowledge and experience. When you describe stepped belly transition, you are talking about the slight step around the lug base on the wartime lot numbered Springfield barrels yes? Sorry for the innane questions. New area for me.

Here is an example of the "step", the barrel on the left is a 1911 Colt barrel and the others are 1911A1. Note the distintive step on the 1911A1 caused by different milling. Another note, the 1911 barrels are about 1/64" shorter that M1911A1.. There are also some other differences....

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...04202JPG-1.jpg

Thanks John!