"SCOPED LEE Enfield" (CGN Private Ad)

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"SCOPED LEE Enfield" (click here)

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Pictured below is a No4 Mk1 Lee Enfield with a G&H detechable side mount for an Alaskan scope. The pictures show the scope mounted and dismounted. The rifle bore is bright with sharp rifling.The barrel is free floating. (sadly , it is not an original sniper) ASking price is $795.00 delivered

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Regards,
Badger

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Originally Posted by Badger

Posted on CGN ....

"SCOPED LEE Enfield" (click here)

If you can't view the advertisement, it's probably due to the fact that you have to subscribe to the EE (Equipment Exchange) forums on CGN in order to view them, or the ad has been deleted.

Seller says:



Regards,
Badger

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I've never seen a picture of a Canadian sniper fitted with a Lyman Alaskan scope. Is that rifle a faithful reproduction of one? Does anyone have pics of a real one to compare with?
When were they made originally btw? Was it a Korean War timeframe?

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Originally Posted by Cantom

I've never seen a picture of a Canadian sniper fitted with a Lyman Alaskan scope. Is that rifle a faithful reproduction of one? Does anyone have pics of a real one to compare with?
When were they made originally btw? Was it a Korean War timeframe?

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Although it's not my specific expertise, I checked in my copy of "Without Warning" By Clive Law. The mount doesn't look at all the same in the book as what's pictured, although it is a Lyman Alaskan scope, as one can see from reading the inscription on it. The pic shows the screws holding the mount on the receiver as being at a 45 degree angle, whereas the pics of this one show them level (horizontal) to the axis of the rifle.

According to Clive's book in reference to the Lyman Alaskan scopes, it has been established that 350 of these were purchased and provided with mounts manufactured by Small Arms Limited..

I think wheaty and some other really smart Enfield collectors will be able to clarify this when they log in.

Edit: BTW, here's an interesting Quartermaster Stores ad in the "For Sale or Auction Elsewhere" section for a WWII Enfield No. 4 MKI Manufactured in Canada with Lyman Scope

Regards,
Badger

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Originally Posted by Badger

Although it's not my specific expertise, I checked in my copy of "Without Warning" By Clive Law. The mount doesn't look at all the same in the book as what's pictured, although it is a Lyman Alaskan scope, as one can see from reading the inscription on it. The pic shows the screws holding the mount on the receiver as being at a 45 degree angle, whereas the pics of this one show them level (horizontal) to the axis of the rifle.

According to Clive's book in reference to the Lyman Alaskan scopes, it has been established that 350 of these were purchased and provided with mounts manufactured by Small Arms Limited..

I think wheaty and some other really smart Enfield collectors will be able to clarify this when they log in.

Edit: BTW, here's an interesting Quartermaster Stores ad in the "For Sale or Auction Elsewhere" section for a WWII Enfield No. 4 MKI Manufactured in Canada with Lyman Scope

Regards,
Badger

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Interesting auction for a real one...anyone know what vintage these were? WWII or Korean?

The LB Ts with the 32TP (Lyman Alaskan) scopes are WWII. The one on CGN is a No. 4 fitted with a G&H mount and a Lyman Alaskan scope. The mount set is similar to an original mount, but as has been pointed out is not the same. The price being asked is not unreasonable given the cost of the components, if a faux sniper rifle is desired.
The second rifle is described using the term "assembled". The rings, and perhaps the scope may be authentic. These were assembled on a LB No. 4. There were a number of the 32TP scopes and rings on the market in the UK, 74L series, from LB No. 4 T rifles suppled to the Netherlands, and subsequently scrapped by the Dutch.

Hi All,

I can tell you that the rifle in the picture is "set up" to look like the real deal.
I can't see the s/n on the wrist but it should read somewere between 74L0001 and 74L0350.
The mounting part on the scope isn't the correct type. It should be an G&H made mount with diagonaly split steelrings (and not aluminum) and places the scope on the left side of the rifle. The scopemount had also the rifle number ingraved in its steel body (between the two split steel scope rings).

But its not an lot of money for the scope, rifle (with installed mount). I have seen Alaskan scope been sold for US$500-900 a piece.
So lets see if the rifle gets sold.

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Originally Posted by 303sniper

Hi All,

I can tell you that the rifle in the picture is "set up" to look like the real deal.
I can't see the s/n on the wrist but it should read somewere between 74L0001 and 74L0350.
The mounting part on the scope isn't the correct type. It should be an G&H made mount with diagonaly split steelrings (and not aluminum) and places the scope on the left side of the rifle. The scopemount had also the rifle number ingraved in its steel body (between the two split steel scope rings).

But its not an lot of money for the scope, rifle (with installed mount). I have seen Alaskan scope been sold for US$500-900 a piece.
So lets see if the rifle gets sold.

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Apparently it did sell...somebody probably got a decent deal.
For me, the Lyman Alaskan setup doesn't look quite as nice as the normal scope and mount setup...makes me think of a wartime expedient vs the real deal...

Well, it was a wartime expedient, because sufficient quantities of No. 32 scopes were not available.

The base bears nothing whatsoever in common with a TP base.

The REL mount looks similar to the G&H mount except it is improved somewhat.

The G&H system uses the locking pins to secure it in place while the REL system uses both the pins and the plate to friction lock the rings to the mount.

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Originally Posted by Cantom

I've never seen a picture of a Canadian sniper fitted with a Lyman Alaskan scope. Is that rifle a faithful reproduction of one? Does anyone have pics of a real one to compare with?
When were they made originally btw? Was it a Korean War timeframe?

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All three mount systems were in use during the Korea period. There are several pictures of the TP in use with Canadian Army during the Korean War.

The rifles (all/most) were assembled during WWII according to Skennerton & Law (Skennerton lists numbers produced for 3 months in '45 IIRC). I'm told that some may have been assembled post-war for export.

We do know that the Dutch had @50 TPs and a complete example surfaced in Italy some months ago...

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Originally Posted by Lee Enfield

The base bears nothing whatsoever in common with a TP base.

The REL mount looks similar to the G&H mount except it is improved somewhat.

The G&H system uses the locking pins to secure it in place while the REL system uses both the pins and the plate to friction lock the rings to the mount.

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Here's the one lousy pic used in the American auction...wonder how much it will go for?
Anyone know how correct this mount is? There's mention in the auction of it being changed or something...

RIA: The Finest Antique Firearms And Modern Gun Auctions In The US

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Originally Posted by Cantom

Here's the one lousy pic used in the American auction...wonder how much it will go for?
Anyone know how correct this mount is? There's mention in the auction of it being changed or something...

RIA: The Finest Antique Firearms And Modern Gun Auctions In The US

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It'll be one of the Dutch bring backs. Repro base, legit rings & scope. The rifle is well outside the batch range.

The TP scopes are a separate military contract. They are uniquely marked. I've owned 3 of them and they all conformed to each other generally with 1 unique "tell" which I've observed. I asked Clive Law and several other collectors whether they had observed a TP which did not fit this pattern & no one claimed to have observed one outside it.

However, I have seen 1 for sale on Epay some years ago which was different and I believe it had markings faked up to look like a TP.

I'm guilty, I bought it. My garand bug has spread to enfields. I figured even though its a fake and its not being sold as legit its still cool to have. The price is decent for whats included and i was looking for a No4 anyway. The scope makes it a little more desirable. I plan to take it to the range just to see how many people will ask if its real!.

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Originally Posted by WW2GURU

I'm guilty, I bought it. My garand bug has spread to enfields. I figured even though its a fake and its not being sold as legit its still cool to have. The price is decent for whats included and i was looking for a No4 anyway. The scope makes it a little more desirable. I plan to take it to the range just to see how many people will ask if its real!.

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Nice snag! Going through Questar to import?

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Originally Posted by Cantom

Nice snag! Going through Questar to import?

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I think he's referring to the CGN Private Ad rifle that started this thread and not the RIA U.S. auction piece .... :)

Regards,
Badger

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Originally Posted by Badger

I think he's referring to the CGN Private Ad rifle that started this thread and not the RIA U.S. auction piece .... :)

Regards,
Badger

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D'Oh! I think you might be right...a whole lot easier and cheaper too...