Question to you Experts

Hello to all,

Today i was out for looking after an Carbine and found a nice one. It is a Underwood with the SN#2220183. It has a nice dark wood with a red shimmer , the bore is shiny and all parts are matching and ordnance bombs are on it. The guy sells it with 1000 cases, 100 rounds of American Eagle ammo, 200 bullets, complete Conversion Kit for the Dillon with Redding Dies, 10 mags and the Gaspiston tool for $ 620. The price is fair for the level over here. Can anybody tell me the date of manufacturing please? No Pics at the moment i forgot my cam:(

Thank you in advance

Regards

Gunner

Gunner,
Double check that serial number.
2,220,183 would fall into Stan Pro's block.

Charlie

Hi Charlie,

Thanks for your answer. Sorry for beeing stupid but Carbines are not my aerea, can you please explain what you mean with Stan`s Pro`s block. The SN# is definately the 2.220.183

Regards

Gunner

I believe there is a light going on. Standard Products! So it is a Mixmaster?!

Regards

Gunner

STANDARD PRODUCTS CARBINE USED THE BARREL ISSUE PROGRAM.
A UNDERWOOD BARREL ON A STAN PRO IS VERY COMMON AS ISSUED
STAN PRO USED MOSTLY UNDERWOOD BARRELS.

hth,
Charlie

Thank you Charlie for the quick reply. Can you tell me something about the production date? Would you say the price is ok?

TIA

Regards

Gunner

Gunner, the brass alone is worth about $100, the ammo $20, the bullets another $25 and the other stuff at around $100 (give or take on condition). Stateside, that leaves the carbine an equivilent of $375. As a package deal it sounds good. If there is something wrong with the carbine, you could either put a little in to fix it or part it out for that price.

That is how I look at it but I don't know what prices you face in Germany...

By mixmaster, do you mean it has a Underwood barrel ? If so, that's most likly right. Standard Product didn't make their own barrels. As for the price, That less than I would have to pay for one, with all the extras, even if I bought just the rifle through CMP. Later, Bob.

I don't have any date books on hand at the moment.
I do know this was Stan Pro's first assigned serial block.
To me any US M1 carbine with a good receiver, non import marked barrel, M1 stock and clean bore is worth $600.

Stan Pro did use a number and letter production code found on the receiver's left side. I think I'm correct here........the earlier the code number the earlier the production.
Others will help with date. I'm guessing late 43.

Charlie

Tired Retired and Bob,

thank you both for your comments. Yes it is a package deal and the price is fine for Germany. I am a newbie on Carbines so i have to ask a bit. The carbine is ok no problems it shoots a 10 shot group with a bit over 3.5" from a sandbag at 100 yards with the American Eagle ammo. So i think everything is allright with it.

Regards

Gunner

Thanks Charlie,

yes there is such an code on the left of the reciever but i dont remember it.

Regards

Gunner

Well you know it's a Stan Pro!
A first block also.
Makes for a very nice find.
Grab It.

Charlie

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The carbine is ok no problems it shoots a 10 shot group with a bit over 3.5" from a sandbag at 100 yards with the American Eagle ammo.

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You sold me right there... buy it or I will try and import it here!

Seriously, hope you enjoy it!

Tired Retired,

to save you from all this paperwork and the import costs i think i buy it.
Have to wait for my allowance and send pics as soon as possible.

Regards

Gunner

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Originally Posted by painter777

Well you know it's a Stan Pro!
A first block also.
Makes for a very nice find.
Grab It.

Charlie

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Charlie,

Not trying to be a smart a** but Standard Products only had 1 block, 1,982,520 to 2,352,519. March or April of 1943 to about April of 1944.

Jim

YEA,
I figured that out as I was driving up to the post office after my reply.
First and last block.

Cheers,
Charlie

About April 1944 for your serial number Gunner at the end of production. Is the rear sight stamped on the right side with an H inside a shield? If so it would most likely be original to the receiver. The Underwood barrel would most likely have a date on it of 3-44 or 4-44. The price with all of the extras is an excellent price over here. Good luck with it if you do get it.

Hi Bruce,

Thanks for the reply. The rear side has an letter but i dont remember it, have to look at the next time. The barrel has the U.S.-Ordnance Bomb but the date is very weak to see. so i couldnt see is it 43 or 44. I will take pictures the next time i see it and add them here.

Ruth estimates late (last month) production, April 1944. Harrison estimates January 1944. I don't have War Baby. Figure sometime in early 1944 unless better data to the contrary.

Sorry for the redundant post - I didn't notice the second page of replies when I posted. Senior moment.

Do yourself a favor and ignore anything in the Harrison book. Its got more errors than Carter has liver pills!

Gunner,

Sie sollten jetzt kaufen! Das ist ein wunderbar Karbiner!

Hallo Rangemaster,

Vielen Dank! Ich werde ihn kaufen und schicke Bilder.

Grüße

Gunner

Wunderbar! bitte, ich muss dies Karbiner sehen!

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Gunner,

Sie sollten jetzt kaufen! Das ist ein wunderbar Karbiner!

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Just for fun I used the Google Translate. Is this correct?

You should buy now! This is a wonderfully Karbiner

Hi Hooks,

The answer is correct. And my answer was " Thank you. I`ll buy it and send pics."

Regards

Gunner

Google works well. Wenn ich ein Woerter vergessen, ich "Google it"

To be honest, sometimes i still use it too.

Regards

Gunner