Received a 7.27 Mil Winchester

I didn't believe the serial that CMP posted when they shipped my order, so I didn't post anything at the time. But I got the delivery today. Its a Winchester hand-stamped M-1 carbine, serial 7277852, complete with certificate from CMP. This serial is higher than any other Winchester M-1 carbine I have found posted on any of the forums. Please someone tell me they have one higher.

Its definitely a rack grade (the inland stock is firewood) and it looks like its been rode hard and put up wet. MW is still only a 2. I have it broken down for cleaning and filling out the data sheet. These pics will have to do for now. I did find some damage inside the chamber, so I will have to get it checked before I can shoot it.

Anyone know where I can get an affordable Winchester stock so I can burn this piece of Inland firewood?


UPDATE: Looked at it again... it may not be a handstamp - did they roll-stamp that high block?

Wow, that is awesome.. Should be easy to retore. What kind of damage> Maybe dried crud?

Nice score :thup:

That's a pretty high number 7.2, congratulations! They do not come around very often. It appears to be original finish. I have 7259xxx and it has several M2 parts to include the slide, trigger housing, sear, and mag catch. Also most if not all 7.2 Winchesters have the type 2 adjustable sight. Another trait is while the barrel has the Winchester proof mark in a circle, most if not all barrels in this range are not W marked behind the front sight. Nice snag.

PS: How is the type 3 barrel band and safety marked?

Also, when searching for a correct Winchester stock, it should be a type 3 with only the Winchester CC on the right. I would not get caught up in the long channel short channel issue. I spoke with Martin McVey on this issue, a noted expert on Winchester carbines and asked him to check his late Winchesters. He state there was no rhyme or reason and both styles were present on his late Winchesters. Mine has the short channel, however the wrist area feels as if it were on steroids. It's absolutely more thick than any other Winchester I own.

Tired, you did GOOD on that 7 series.:beerchug: And that is a high number. I got one pretty close at 7263327. I understand that ANY 7 series Winny is fairly uncommon. Hope you can snag some wood. I'll look out in the woodpile for you.

Prarie Dog Pete

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Originally Posted by Tired Retired

I didn't believe the serial that CMP posted when they shipped my order, so I didn't post anything at the time. But I got the delivery today. Its a Winchester hand-stamped M-1 carbine, serial 7277852, complete with certificate from CMP. This serial is higher than any other Winchester M-1 carbine I have found posted on any of the forums. Please someone tell me they have one higher.

Its definitely a rack grade (the inland stock is firewood) and it looks like its been rode hard and put up wet. MW is still only a 2. I have it broken down for cleaning and filling out the data sheet. These pics will have to do for now. I did find some damage inside the chamber, so I will have to get it checked before I can shoot it.

Anyone know where I can get an affordable Winchester stock so I can burn this piece of Inland firewood?

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Tired Retired,

I'm envious, I'm still looking for a 7.2-7.3 million Winchester, my highest carbine is a 7.1 million Inland.

I had seen a list a while back of known carbines that showed only two Winchester's with serial numbers higher then yours.

Jim

I only have about half the data sheet done (got to work to feed the kids ya know). Right now the trigger housing (type VI) and all of its parts are Winchester. The bolt is a Win but it is a flat type II - unfortunately the bolt components are mixmasters.

Here's some questions for the group:

1) What is the correct type bolt for this block? I am guessing a round bolt, but I don't know if Winchester had enough or just used what they had left over at the end of production.

2) Did Winchester "collect" extra parts left over from other manufacturers at the end of production? Would this explain some of the other parts inside the bolt...

3) What would be the correct slide? It has a well-worn AOB type III slide, but I assume that it is a definite replacement somewhere along the lines.

Guess I am going to have to put some extra money out on this one, so I might as well make it count...

Hey David

I have 7,259,865. How close to yours?


Mike

Mike I will check this evening when I get home. You have my curiosity going now!

Guess I had a senior moment at work today. It's not 7259xxx but 7269xxx. My apologies Mike.

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Ok, this is going to get long winded, but I am posting this for all the guys who collect data since I can’t seem to scan the data sheet. I promise to finish the sheet and send it to the Carbine club (along with membership dues). Hope this helps someone:

The “correct” parts:

Receiver: Winchester 7277852 rack grade from CMP

Barrel marked: Winchester Type I with oval “P” in “W” proof 4 ¼ inches down barrel, flaming bomb on right side of gas cylinder, possible small “w” on top of barrel over gas cylinder.

Barrel Band: Type III with large “C” on center of left side (Correct)

Front Sight: Unmarked Type I with Slope only (Winchester)

Rear Sight: Type II “H” shield Hemphill (Correct for time of issue)

Bolt: Type II Flat with “w” on right lug (Winchester)

Trigger Housing: Type VI with “W” on right rear (Winchester)

Mag Catch: Type IV with M on side and “w” on face (Winchester)

Hammer: Type III with “w” facing forward on left side (Winchester)

Trigger: Marked “w” (Winchester)

Sear: Type III M-2 sear marked “w” (Winchester)

Other: Short Chamber Skirt, Short Handguard Lip

The “not correct” parts

Extractor: Type II marked “SG” (Saganaw)

Firing Pin: Type II marked “NI” (Inland)

Safety: Type IV with “JAO” on wing

Slide: type III marked “AOB” (IBM)

Recoil Plate: type III DI (Inland)

Recoil Plate Screw: unmarked full thread

The ugly

Stock: Type II Highwood, with CC on right side, OI in sling well and capital letter “B” on left side (partial rebuild mark??). Stock is extremely dented, worn and has a large crack in butt plate/oiler cut area.

Handguard: 4-rivet unmarked, definitely Walnut (powerwashed) with a couple of cracks.


The finish is less than 25% with bare metal over most of the receiver. All parts show a lot of wear from shooting/use. However, Barrel measures a “2” with a gauge. Also, I found several scrape marks in the chamber that are deep enough to catch/stop a plastic probe tip. It will be checked before firing.

Somebody check me here, all I need to be historically correct is
1) Stock, ($100)
2) Handguard, ($25)
3) recoil plate, ($20)
4) Round bolt, ($75)
5) extractor, ($20)
6) firing pin and ($15)
7) Slide? ($75)

Thats $330 plus the rack grade cost of $575 brings it to $905. But the REAL question is... will it shoot????

David,
Is the sight ramp on the 6,5 painted?
The 7,2 ramp parked?

Charlie

David

You had me going there. Yours is a little higher than my highest 7,267,067.

Looks like Tireds' has us beat.

Mike

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Originally Posted by painter777

David,
Is the sight ramp on the 6,5 painted?
The 7,2 ramp parked?

Charlie

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Hey Charlie. They are both parked with the 6.5 having a lighter shade of gray and the painted numbers are more faded. The 6.5's knobs does have gray paint on the ends. The 7.2 has more patina/dried cosmo.

Mike, yep Tired's is definitely on up there, a very nice find and easy restore.

Tired, thanks for the break down. Mine also has the J.A.O. safety. I bet it will shoot good. My 6.5 and 7.2 are my best shooters. Of the Winchesters in my collection, the 7.2 was the most difficult to find.

tired nice find, the stock will be a hard one to find. a long channel with the proper cartouche is what you need to be historically correct.