Saginaw S'G' pics

This M1 came my way from an online auction, it was at a local inner city pawn shop. Pawn shop stated someone sold it to them for $25. It had been found in a closet in an old house. I think it is a genuine bring back, i dont think it has ever seen a collectors hands. It does have two parts that are probably not original to the rifle, but were probably done in the service. It has a adj sight and the hammer has probably been replaced(type 3 marked HI, has a dogleg ding on the TH as well). The adjustable sight shows only one center punch stake to it.

Receiver marked Saginaw S'G'
Bolt-SG
FP-S'G'
Ext-w S'G'
Slide-T3 (cant find any marks on it)*Finally found a faint S'G'
TH-S'G'
Hammer-HI
sear- sw-S'G'
mag catch-Ipw
safety-S'G'
Front sight -N
Handguard-rsg
stock- S'G' and CC
butplate is unmarked.
c-tip sling that hasnt been off in a Long time
Oiler IS
muzzle cover-1944
Barrel band is unmarked with an unmarked swivel(mark may have rust over it)

Stock cartouche

Well done, love to here about those deals. If we only new the story. More pics after you get it cleaned please....Frank

Welcome and what a Great find.GK

nice find congrats

As I have used before, the famous words of my 13 year old daughter... "I hate you, I hate you, I HATE YOU!!!!!!!"

Congrats on the piece of history!!! Curious as to the condition of the bore and internals of the bolt - did they suffer from the years in the closet?

Its too bad you didn't the story of the how the carbine got into the closet in the first place... if only these pieces of history could tell us where they have been....

Nice ! Could that be a dirty 6 I see on the left handside of the front sight? Kinda like this ? Your's doesn't look like it was made yesterday to me. Thanks for joining in. Mike.

What SN range is she in? Sweet gun btw.

Curt,
From what I can see of the serial # it came from the SG-S'G' split block.
# shows 3,58?,???

Charlie-painter777

Its too bad the pawn shop got it first, i didnt exactly get off cheap. If i wouldnt have been able to personally go and inspect the rifle, i probably would not have bid on it as much as i did. Added some more pics of the internals. No other marks on the front sight, other than the N. The rifle pretty much just had some areas of surface rust on the outer surfaces. The bolt was still well preserved, internally. The bore is free from any pitting. All of the TH components are free from rust or pitting.

From the looks of you're S'G', it seems possible that the Inland parts are original and the type II rear sight added in the field later on in WWII. Very nice find! :thup:

SUPER Nice find! :super:

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Originally Posted by mpd1978

This M1 came my way from an online auction, it was at a local inner city pawn shop. Pawn shop stated someone sold it to them for $25. It had been found in a closet in an old house. I think it is a genuine bring back, i dont think it has ever seen a collectors hands. It does have two parts that are probably not original to the rifle, but were probably done in the service. It has a adj sight and the hammer has probably been replaced(type 3 marked HI, has a dogleg ding on the TH as well). The adjustable sight shows only one center punch stake to it.

Receiver marked Saginaw S'G'
Bolt-SG
FP-S'G'
Ext-w S'G'
Slide-T3 (cant find any marks on it)*Finally found a faint S'G'
TH-S'G'
Hammer-HI
sear- sw-S'G'
mag catch-Ipw
safety-S'G'
Front sight -N
Handguard-rsg
stock- S'G' and CC
butplate is unmarked.
c-tip sling that hasnt been off in a Long time
Oiler IS
muzzle cover-1944
Barrel band is unmarked with an unmarked swivel(mark may have rust over it)

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I've been checking a lot of these older S'G' threads because I've recently added a couple more of them to my own collection. In looking at this post I see a lot of similar parts on this gun compared to one of mine from the IP - S'G' block. I think the marking on the bolt lug shown is S'G' rather than SG - right? And what's the deal on that second picture of the rear sight? It seems to be floating behind the dove tail - is this "photo shopped," or am I missing something? Also I see that pesky "Z" front sight showing up again - maybe it's correct for the S'G' - SG block, but not for IP - S'G'? Were they producing both s/n blocks at the same time, or was the gun in this thread assembled in early '44 and just happened to get a 9-43 marked barrel? Just can't figure all this out! Thanks - Bob

The bolt is marked S'G'. Nothing photo shopped on the pics, rear sight is normal and staked to the reciever with one punch mark. I dont know enough about the IP/S'G'/SG saga to comment on any of your other questions.

If I recall correctly the N or Z (same company ) was used throughout IP/S'G' production.
It showed up more in the later IP/S'G' guns more than earlier, but you will find IP marked guns late into the fall of '43.
You must understand how Grand Rapids used the SN's to understand how the above could happen, but it did.
Dave

Here's a comparison of the rear sights on my S'G' and mpd1978's. It's obvious that my "mixmaster" has a Type 2 sight and his has a Type 3, but why does his receiver sight base appear to be ahead of the sight? What is that, a shadow or something? That's why I asked if the picture was photoshopped. Thanks, Bob.
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The difference is in the way the milled and stamped sights were built. The dovetail on the milled is at the very front and the stamped is more in the center. If you look at some loose sights side by side you can easily see what I am talking about. The milled sight is just shorter in length than the stamped.
Dave

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Originally Posted by usgicollector

The difference is in the way the milled and stamped sights were built. The dovetail on the milled is at the very front and the stamped is more in the center. If you look at some loose sights side by side you can easily see what I am talking about. The milled sight is just shorter in length than the stamped.
Dave

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Yeah, I can see the difference in the sights, but what's the deal with the area of the receiver that I've marked in his picture? It looks as if the rear part of the dovetail area is completely ahead of his sight?? Do you see what I mean?
Thanks, Bob

Not sure what you mean. His receiver looks correct to me. The arrow points to the proof firing puch mark on the receiver bridge, otherwise the rear sight hump is arcing down to the bolt slot correctly.
Dave

It's an optical Illustion, go back and forth on the pic's. The dried cosmoline makes it appear as a sight base.

Rustship is correct Bob (if I understand what you're asking about)
I think it's an illusion from a poorly lighted photo. You can see the curvature at the front here.

I'm not sure if this helps, but I zoomed with photoshop and cropped the areas, then placed them side by side in PowerPoint.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...icture11-1.jpg

Yes, that does help! The arrow that I added wasn't meant to call attention to the punch mark - I was trying to point toward the whole area which appears to be sloping upwards in front of the sight, instead of downwards toward the bolt area, as it should. It's the area that's in the shadow of the Type III sight that appears to be causing that illusion. Thanks ! - Bob