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Last week i´ve shot my Anschütz the first time at 100 yards with the Lapua/SK X3 Trainer ammo. I was really happy to see how good the combination Rifle and Ammo worked. Here´s the target, 12 rounds in the bull the3 others a re height and windage adjustment.
Regards
Gunner
Very good Gunner! I like to shoot my Marlin model 80 .22 cal. at 100 yards- it separates the men from the boys.
very nice shooting. I could not match this at one hundred yards, but, I WILL TRY TOMOROW> thanks, gunner
Hi Pattern14 and duggaboy,
thank you. Yes it is a interesting way to shoot. The next time i will downsize my 300 yards target in Scale and try it at 100 yards with the .22lr as a training exercise. Lets see and find out. Duggaboy, please let me see your target.
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Gunner
Gunner:super:
Great shooting, great rifle and great ammo! Which model Annie are you shooting? .22's are far under-rated in my book. What more can I say?
:cheers:
aprayinbear,
thank you much! My rifle is an Anschütz Match Modell 54. You´re right, they are really underrated. But we´re knowing that they are good!
Regards
Gunner
That's a much better group than I ever shot with irons. Even with optics i'd have a hard time matching this.
Thank you Rob!
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Gunner
Very nice shooting! Got to love the .22 LR at any range.
Thank you Rapidrob, they are got at any range from 25m up to 100m!
Regards
Gunner
Nice shooting. 100 yds with .22 RF is challenging.
I started shooting outdoor smallbore prone matches a couple of years ago. These matches include both 50 and 100 yard stages.
I have the 'Small Bore Rifle Handbook' by Townsend Whelen, dated 1937. It is no longer popular but they used to have 200 yard slow prone small bore matches. I shot a few of these and it is a hoot. I've heard that a .22 RF at 200 yds has about the same wind drift as a .30 cal at 1000 yds. When you're in the pits it seems like these are coming in like mortar rounds.
The Whelen book contains a table with angles of elevation for .22 long rifle out to 300 yards (for 1100 f.p.s. std velocity it is 53.7 MOA). Yikes.
The come ups for 1100 fps std velocity are:
50 to 100 yds = +8 MOA
100 to 200 yds = +18 MOA
This is a test group I shot today with my "cheapo" Enfield No. 8. It had been sporterized, but I was able to get the missing bits from EFD as a birthday present to myself this summer. Both this one (A11003) and its companion (A10198) had previously been tested at the RUAG/RWS facility in Fürth. At 50 meters A10.198 has the edge, all shots touching a 3mm circle when using R50 ammo. That is like hitting a match head, end on, with every shot. To achieve this requires not only finding the right type of ammo, but even selecting a specific batch!
A11003 needed the R100 for best results, so today, the competition season being effectively over, I finally got round to trying out A11003 at 100 meters, off a sandsack, with the standard Enfield backsight + Parker horizontal adjustment, and a Parker aperture foresight. The result is shown below.
Attachment 15965
Only a 5-shot group, as that is quite sufficient to verify the rifle/ammo combination, and I will have to fine-adjust the sight a bit before making further tests. The ammo is just about the best you can get - and very expensive. 250 rounds of R100 cost me more than the rifle as purchased in sporterized condition!
A further test is obviously required - with a scope. I think this group has reached the limit of what I can do with iron sights.
Anyway, with results like this from a military trainer, who needs a modern match rifle?
Patrick
Great shooting Patrick:thup:
Thats what i often stated. Most of my milsurps rifles do an equal or better job than modern hunting rifles can do! And if you compare the price and the methods of making, you can assume that there is no advantage from todays gunmakers to the old ones.
And as i said Patrick it would be great to go at an shooting range with you. Maybe someday?
I tested the R50R100 and the Lapua Trainer and out of my rifle the cheap Lapua(30Euros/500)
was the best.
Cheers
Gunner
I've found most HV .22LR (generally I use hollow points) need right at +6 MOA for 100yds and roughly +14 MOA for 200. I've had many groups at 200 that have only a 2" vertical dispersion, but a 8-12" horizontal spread due to a very minor wind. "Breeze" is way too stong a term. Never got a real group at 300yds the few times I've tried (iron sighted SMLE .22, scoped rifles ran out of adjustment).Quote:
Originally Posted by NMC_EXP
Tried A11003 with a scope today. The scope ran out of elevation before I got right into the center. So I just made a 3-shot group with that awfully expensive ammo to see how it went. The 3 shots had a spread of 11 mm. That is well under 1/2 MOA. When I have fettled the scope to cover the range, I will fire off a statistically more meaningful group and post the results. But I can already say that this No. 8 is the most accurate 100-meter rifle I have ever had.
For something really different, take a look at this link
Milsurp After Hours View topic - NEW RANG TO SHOOT AT - SOUGE.
You can see that the backsight leaf is well up the ladder, but the No. 8 was hitting the target at 300 meters! That is something I am going to try - next time I visit Alsfeld!
Patrick
1/2MOA!!! You da Man!Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick Chadwick
Got you tickled, even w/ just 3 rounds, I reckon.
One technique to getting good long range groups w/ a .22"RF I learned from a pretty scientific article written in the late 70s- early 80's that appeared in the Gun Digest concerning accuracy testing of rim fire ammo. That is to shoot as fast as can be done so that conditions don't change mid-string. Mind you, this fellow was shooting 50rd groups and using a machine rest, but it does help up to a point.
50 round groups! Good grief, was that a machine rest or a machine gun???:lol:<
Seriously, there may well be something in that idea - and not only for those who have shares in ammo manufacturers;)!
However, I don't think it would help much unless you have a very robust rest, as 50 individually aimed rounds could be spoilt towards the end by eye fatigue, and would test the shooter rather than the ammo. Even the 9x scope I used today was sufficiently powerful to show that the rifle was fluttering a bit, as I only had ordinary sand sacks and had to steady the rifle to keep it upright. I doubt I could hold that 1/2 MOA for a long string. It's going to be necessary to study how the benchresters do it.
Patrick
Of course, it's known as BR50 for a reason. Short range weinies! Still, they're gun nerds of the first order.
(See previous posting)
As planned, I adjusted the scope fitting and centered the shots for 100 meters. On the target shown below, the two blanked-out 8s are the first sighters (3 shots) the 9/10 is the first correction, and as the next shot was the 10x at 12 o'clock, I continued to make a 5 shot group. The group has a center-to-center spread of 18mm.
Attachment 16625
That is 0.6 MOA, so I must be realistic and recognize that I am not going to do much better with this setup. The 4 shots after the first at 12 o'clock are within 11 mm, but there seems to be a slight drift downwards. Maybe cleaning between shots would help.
Further improvement (if that is possible) will require a bench-rest type setup, and that will take some time to organize. In the meantime, if anybody has a trainer that can shoot a tighter group than this No. 8, let's see it!
Patrick
That is great shooting Patrick! :thup:
Regards
Gunner
Quite simply, I think that the No. 8 is the best trainer ever, bar none.
Patrick
........but nothing without an good shooter behind it Patrick!
Regards
Gunner
Well actually I am rather hoping that the sweeping claim in the previous posting will provoke some others into showing us what their trainers can do!
Patrick
My No8 is definitely a great shooter but my Cooey 82 probably is as good. It is hard to believe just how well the 82 will shoot consistently. It is "broad arrow" marked and my son is very good with it. My eyes are getting a little old and I admit I can't shoot as well as years ago without a scope.
The only trainer i had was a Mauser one and it was able to shoot 3" at 100yards but nothing better.
Regards
Gunner
Some times we forget the .22 are key to basic rifle marksmanship. I try to make time to get new shooter on the 100m line with the .22 it is such a confidence builder and then later come back to 50m. Sadly my best .22 was stolen but my MAS 45 is still a fine training tool.
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.....MJ.....