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Killing time the other day and came across this rifle for $289, and i just had to pick it up. I've looked around a bit to try and identify it but, it seems that you guys are much better at it. Anyone care to tell me what i've got?
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thanks guys.:beerchug:
I'm no expert, but i'll get you started. Rifle was made by Waffenwerke Brunn in Bystrica,Czechoslavakia, under German occupation in 1945. The rifle is not in its correct stock. You have a flat buttplate, a cupped buttplate is correct for that year. There were approximately 30,000 made at this factory in 1945 making it quite rare. What kind of condition is the bore in? Please post more pics if you can, and what letter is under the serial number. Nice Nice Nice rifle, especially for that price!
GregM
the bore is in really good condition. it was dirty, but very minimal pitting (if any really) and when i saw it i just kinda knew i needed to buy it. i'll take some more pics and throw them up soon.
i appreciate the help greg!
fndrbass19,
fine rifle! Is the WaA over the Mod.98 stamp WaA63 0r WaA80?
Regards
Gunner
here are more pics from the breakdown. by the way, the letter under the serial number is "e" and the number under the eagle is WaA80.
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it's missing the cleaning rod and sight hood which aren't too big of a deal to replace. when i was leaving the store with it the guy who grabbed it for me asked what i paid for it. when i told him $289 he got kinda quiet, looked it over and said "you just got a steal there, son." while i was walking out the man who originally sold it to me was getting an earful in the back. :move eek:
You did VERY good! I'm thinking this rifle is one of the last ones Bystrica ever made. The "E" block is very hard to find. If you'd like to make it look a little more correct, do a search for "Kriegsmodell", that'll give you an idea of what the correct stock configuration is. Other than that, go shoot it and enjoy, and remember, some poor sales guy got yelled at because of you!
GregM
i've been searching online all afternoon for a late model kriegsmodell stock to buy but i haven't found much. anyone know of good places to look for the furniture?
If you don't find one, I'd just clean up the stock you have on it for now.
(Russians put a reddish shellac on many RC's) - They removed the site hoods, cleaning rods, and capture crews, but they are pretty easy to find.
Your rifle looks great.
that stock looks like it'd be beautiful without the shellac on it.
i just placed an order for a new cleaning rod and sight hood that should be showing up next week, and i think i might strip that rifle down tomorrow and see about stripping the shellac off the way aragorn told me the other night.
i'm super pumped! ha :runaway:
if i can recommend a different way to remove shellac. i did it this way:Quote:
Originally Posted by fndrbass19
1. use Citristrip (a mild stripper that can be found at Lowe's or Home Depot
2. brush Citristrip onto stock. let sit for 10+ minutes and then wipe off with clean cloth or towel
3. let air dry for a few minutes
4. use a cloth dipped in denatured alcohol and wipe down stock to remove leftover shellac and Citristrip (use rubber gloves when handling denatured alcohol)
5. wipe stock dry
6. denatured alcohol again and let it dry.
7. let stock sit for an hour or so just to make sure no cosmoline or shellac that has soaked in leaks out
8. when ready, apply the finish. i used Boiled Linseed Oil but Howard's Feed and Wax is also great. if you use BLO, you can use as many coats as you wish, but i think 2 is perfect. let dry completely in between coats
here are a couple of mine:
before:
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after:
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a different rifle before:
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after:
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i'll give that a shot and see how it turns out. i think instead of BLO i'm gonna go with the Howard's and see how that works.
just got home from getting the supplies. I'm taking apart the rifle right now and when I finish this afternoon I'll throw more pics up.
:thup: remember to remove everything except the takedown discs in the stock.Quote:
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Great, waiting for the pics!
here she is!
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beautiful. it looked like it had a very nice stock under that shellac.
Hey, you made a good looking lady out of this old girl!!!:thup:
Regards
Gunner
i know i just refinished this stock, but then stumbled across this one which makes my kriegsmodell more historically accurate, and it was a good deal, so i went ahead and picked it up.
looks like i'll have a back-up stock. someone slap me before i break the bank on this project, haha. :slap:
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this one has the shellac gunk on it too, so i'll get some more practice on my refinishing skills.
Always good to practice on the refinishing skills. Now you have the K98k skills than you need the 1903A3 skills and than you need ........:madsmile:
I´m doing this since 10 years and i cant see an end!:thup:
Regards
Gunner
it's closer, but it's not a kriegsmodell stock. but you're right, it is more appropriate lookingQuote:
Originally Posted by fndrbass19
i did some research and the dou.45 had a "semi-kriegsmodell" stock. the factory mine is from never went to the full kriegsmodell version that didn't have the bolt takedown and stuff.
right. here's what it would look like:Quote:
Originally Posted by fndrbass19
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haha i was just getting ready to say that and post the same pic. great minds think alike. at least i got closer with that stock in appearance.
more important than how it looks is how it shoots. you'll have to give us the info when you fire it. :thup:
i'll give a full range report in a couple of days. :D
i was looking around on gunbroker and saw a mismatched "original kriegsmodell k98" that was going for $1299.99 starting bid... if that's the case is the guy who's selling it out of his mind?
what is my mismatch realistically worth?
i saw that rifle, the bnz 45. that's not the correct stock and he's very high on that price. especially if it's mismatched. his bnz 44 kriegsmodell is a nice one (maybe still a bit high on the price). his SWP45 is also overpricedQuote:
Originally Posted by fndrbass19
for a Russian Capture very late war rifle, $300-$400 is a good price so you paid a nice price
i thought so, haha. thanks for all the information you guys are giving me. this has been a fun project so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by kar98k
:beerchug:Quote:
Originally Posted by fndrbass19
my feeling is, what's the point in knowing stuff if you can't teach others?:cool:
Ain't nothing fancy about removing shellac. Hang the stock over a bucket, get a soft scrub brush and plenty of rags. Dump out some denatured alcohol and get after it. The da will soften and literally just wash off the shellac. The rapid evaporating da will not saturate the stock.
Simple is best simply done.:thup:
Sorry to be a party-pooper about the stock, but I feel there is some misapprehension about the word "original".
The stock on the rifle is numbered to the rifle.
The rifle was made very late in the war.
So it looks to me like the original stock - i.e. the factory used what they had left over at a time when "normal" parts supply must have been breaking down, not what the specification said.
In which case, replacing the (actual) original stock with another to "make it historically accurate" would actually be a historical falsification.
"Original" is how it was actually made, not how it ought to have been. In fact, from the collecting viewpoint, if it was originally made with that stock, then that makes it rarer than an example that is "all correct per specification"!
But that's just my opinion, FWIW.
PAtrick
the rifle is a Russian capture. after the war, the Russians took the rifles apart to safety check and repair them and they just put them back together with any parts and stocks they grabbed from bins and tables. the stock is force matched by the Russians and is not original to the rifle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick Chadwick
yeah. if it were the original there's no way i'd change it out, but it's not and i don't expect to add to the value of the rifle, but i thought it'd be nice to have a closer representation of what the rifle was like when it was produced.
the picture that was shown earlier in the thread labeled "semi-kriegsmodell" was how the dou.45's came from the factory. the stock i have on mine is force matched and is a much earlier wartime stock. i do understand what you're saying though pat and i appreciate the feedback.