What are the things to look for in terms of size, shape, markings, etc? If anyone has a photo comparing the two or can refer me to a page in one of the reference books that compares them, I would appreciate it. Thanks!
John
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What are the things to look for in terms of size, shape, markings, etc? If anyone has a photo comparing the two or can refer me to a page in one of the reference books that compares them, I would appreciate it. Thanks!
John
The pre-war stocks are slimmer and carry typical cartouches (presumably from 1929 on, when the C stock was adopted). ViShooter has a pic of the different type stocks at http://www.vishooter.net/m1903/1903_stockpic.jpg
Does the question relate to an M1903A1 or an M1903A4? The term "c stock" is sort of vague as it only refers to the general dimensions of the stock and the profile of the pistol grip. As you surmise there are a number of differences in various stocks made to the specification of the "C stock".Quote:
Originally Posted by levallois
Regards,
Jim
If you mean the pre-WWII stocks (and some WWII, as well) made by Springfield and those made during WWII by Keystone), the "small" of the stock is different, for starters. The stamp in the recess for the cutoff is an "S" for Springfield and a "K" (often upside down) for Keystone.
I appreciate the replies! I am referring to the difference between the pre-WWII stocks and the WWII stocks for the 1903A1. I want to buy a 1930s era rifle and want to know what an original stock looks like. I think that you answered my question - Thanks!
John
Keep in mind that pre-war Type C stocks were very rarely used on service rifles. They were mounted almost exclusively on National Match rifles.
Hey Rick,Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick the Librarian
Do you know if the USMC got any pre-war "C" replacement stocks?
Lancebear
I'm not Rick, but I can confirm that they did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lancebear
J.B.
But when did they get them?Quote:
Originally Posted by John Beard
Regards,
Jim
The post war K stocks have a cut for 03a3 handguard rear retaining ring .The pre war stocks do not . The handguard on a 03 mounted under the rear sight base .If you mount a 03 in a a3 stock you will notice 2 notches in the stock in front of the receiver .Many prewar stocks have been butchered fitting a a3 in a 03 stock .:bash:Quote:
Originally Posted by levallois
To answer your question, here is a picture a friend of mine sent of his dad's graduating recruit class in early 1942. Look at the closeup detail of the picture below that.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...tandard-12.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...tandard-13.jpg
I have two 1903A4 rifles with prewar C stocks, both having hand cut bolt notches and hand made cutouts for the A3 handguards. I also have one loose new original, (NOS), later style A4, C stock with a machined bolt notch and a machined handguard cutout.
The bottoms of the forearms of the two early stocks are more flat with the flat having fairly sharp edges/corners whereas the flat on the later one is more rounded as the corners have been rounded off a bit. You can see and feel the differece between the early and later stocks, Ray
Is it uncommon for a C stock to lack any proof marks or inspection stamps? I have a C stock with the S in the magazine cut off. It's a 1.3 serial number receiver with 8/31 barrel. It was a 2001 CMP purchase.
Yes, I've seen several that lack them. I have a Type B on a 1924 NM that has no markings.
Look very closely in the barrel channel and tell me what you see.:beerchug:Quote:
Originally Posted by pmclaine
Jim
Pre-war vs Post-War “Type C” stocks.
I bought several of the post WWII full pistol grip stocks through the DCM. They were not listed as “Type C’ only as “Stock, assy, M1903A1 (full Pistol Grip)…” They were all made by Keystone and were oversized and the inletting was generous, so generous that in some cases it was not possible to get them to bed fully in full length configuration (This did not bother me for I intended to glass bed them and it saved me the trouble of removing excess material). They were all inletted for the M1903 FRSB, the M03A3 hand guard ring, and the 03A4 altered bolt handle. In other words-“one size fits all”. Some were quite good and could be worked down to match almost the pre-war configuration. Some were not so good – One that I have has the butt plate over hanging the stock in one place and the stock overhanging the but plate in another place. Usable, but not pretty. Glass bedded and cut off forward of the lower band they made good sporter stocks. I have one on a M1903 that I fired for years in competition and that stock worked down to pre-war standards very nicely. Surely beat the original Type “S” stock that came on the rifle.
Hope that helps.
Type C stocks were not made "post WWII". Production was stopped before the end of the war.
I am adding pictures showing comparison of Keystone PG stock and NM M1903 stock
Top is M1903 with reworked Keystone. Bottom two are NM Type C stocks
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...ck/Rifles2.jpg
Pistol Grip-top RW Keystone,bottom NM M1903
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...stock/PGs2.jpg
Top view.Keystone left, NM Right, Note glass bedding on Keystone
Keystone on my "match" rifle
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...ock/KSvsNM.jpg
Close up of tang on Keystone on M1903
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...ock/Kstone.jpg
SmithCorona glass bedding..
Tang on SC Keystone
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o15/Cosine1/Kstock/SCKY1.jpg
PG on SC. Needs more work
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...stock/SCPG.jpg
Butt plate overhang on SC
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...tock/Butt1.jpg
My C-stock has the drawing numbers on both the handguard adn the buttstock (different numbers, of course). I beleive it is an upsaide down "K" in cuttoff notch
What are the drawing numbers?
I have yet to purchase the proper reference material to attempt a full tear down. I will let you know if I find anything in there after opening it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Tarleton
Quote:
Originally Posted by pmclaine
Not to get off topic, but this site is very useful with good pics, too. http://www.surplusrifle.com/1903/rif...mble/index.asp