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Another one of the fakes - Mk1 or 2 drums on a MkIII engraved body. See item 220611564903. Buyer beware! Best not say anything about the matching serial number on the bracket!
WW2 Lee Enfield No.4 T Sniper Scope No. 32 Mk. III - eBay (item 220611564903 end time Jun-08-10 21:00:09 PDT)
I think that this is another one, 190399531312 on ebay.
He says he has another 6 the same.
Same OS No as the one noted by Nigel but a mk 2
He also has the mounts and pads.
Also he has the scopes US M84 for the Garand, and not just one........ all perfect condition.
Scope Lunette LEE-Enfield N° 32 AARscrl()skynet.be - eBay (item 190399531312 end time May-31-10 10:05:53 PDT)
Even has a proof mark on the bracket. LOL
What is the spurious crossed keys proof mark in the penultimate pic of the listing no. 220611564903?
They certainly went to some trouble making the finish look worn in all the right places, but all to no avail!
The seller of 190399531312 the mk 2
has added a note that an ebayer has told him it is probably a fake,
his reply is that it is possible that it is. He has several 32s and not all identical.
Is this reaching the realms of notifying ebay about a fraudulant activity?
I guess it depends if the items are sold as original or repros, ebay could force them to state that these were not authentic, that at least would be more honest and protect buyers? Thoughts appreciated.
By stating that someone has doubts if it is original, the seller can refuse returns, as the "doubt" was stated up front. Smooth......
He also lists it as "New", which, at least, is honest enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by read6737
The seller of the fake mk2 is also selling a mount the same as the seller Nigel posted, with the same markings, Was listed for sale only in Belgium so I did not find it straight away. 190399533660 ebay No
Scope mount Lee-Enfield n°32 AARscrl()skynet.be - eBay (item 190399533660 end time May-31-10 10:16:20 PDT)
I had one of the repro's in my hand last weekend at a dutch show. The guy was selling them for 995.- euro's complete in box, tool and pads. The seller is one of hollands larges arms dealer and was selling the set as repro.
I have to say that the optics are superb, I might say better than my original.
The seller pointed me on the little errors they made.... But in the future they will go as 100% originals when you don't do your homework.
If they work and aren't make as outright fakes but merely as new production (complete w/ the real mfgs logo- retro is OK) then I wouldnt mind buying two or three. As something made to deceive the unwary, I want no part of them.
If the maker has a decent product for sale to get the rifles servicable again why isn't he up front and sell them openly? These "mystery" origins bother me.
(For range use, the No.32 Mk.3 would be nice. That or an adjustment tool ought to be included, providing the maker gets "honest".)
I just did some searching on line and found this post about the no 32 sniper scope,I hope I didn't buy a dud !!! as I have a MK1 original on my No4 sniper and just wanted a spare anyway when it comes ill do a review on it for you guys, also I didn't hear about the copys till today,I knew about the ZF 39 zeiss copys and the pu's,also the m73's,but I thought the No32's would be too much work.
Did you buy that particular one?
yes I bought the mark two scope when it comes Ill show you
I emailed the seller of these scopes through ebay and he posted this reply ebay item no 220611564903
Hello Sir,
Thank you for the information. I'm a erman scopes collector and I don't know anything about british scopes. I didin't know that british scopes repros exist. What a pitty... I'll will list it on my auction as soon as possible.
Best regards,
Laurent
the seller posted this update on his ebay item,,,
I'm not a british scopes collector so I don't have many informations about No.32 scopes. Everything I know on this scope is what I can see engraved on it. Some of you tell me it's a reproduction, other ones send me high offers to buy it out of the auction. Everything I can say is that I've never seen reproductions of this scope but this one is very clean for an old specimen. So, be careful before bidding, look for informations. I can't give warranty on the originality of this scope.
Also when mine comes ill check the sights screws against my original MK1 as if they are metric threads,I bet these are being made in eastern Europe !!! as a member said in an earlier post the optics are super clear,and the old eastern block nations are known for their Zeiss and German inspired optics.
Thanks for sharing the info guys. I was thinking something looked wrong with it, especially as it was listed as a Mk III with the wrong adjusting drums.
Saved me from making a mistake.
Looking at the Fake (now up to £840) and regarding the optics someone mentioned, it reminds me of a Russian PEM scope i bought few years ago was an excellent scope and excellent optics but was a repro (wasnt expecting an original for the price i paid), at the time ebay was full of them, just wonder if the same manufacture has turned there hands to the No32 ? At the end of the day, why knock something out at £200 when a bit more work etc and you can knock something out around £900 mark.
Guess we will soon know if we start seeing bucket loads on ebay lets hope they are listed as Repro,s or replicas.
Did anyone see the two Mk1 scopes that ended recently ? one went for around £620 and the other £680 seemed a reasonable price.
I saw the two mark ones and they didn't look all that good so I left them on evilbay
I wouldn,t be put off too much by appearance, if its all complete and a bit neglected there are a two experts on this forum who may offer a service on rebuild and repair, Wheaty (Canada) or Peter Laidler (UK).Quote:
Originally Posted by lee_enfield223
I decided to save the auction pics and description here in this thread for posterity, as they'll disappear once the original auction gets dated. ;)
I wonder if these No.32's are related to a separate thread posted by Roger Payne last fall?Quote:
Very rare British No.32 sniper scope for Lee Enfield No.4 "T" rifle. The scope come with its original mount and sunshade.
Overall condition is exellent. Some small use marks on the scope but nothing important.
Optics are crystal clear. Adjsutments work fine
The scope is stamped with the following markings:
TEL STG No.32 MK 3
OS 2039 A
AK.&.S N° 17039
The mount has corresponding serial 17038 and a small proof mark at the back of it (see pictures)
Mount rings have corresponding numbers 20-20 and 21-21
Repro No32's....I think they've arrived.... (click here)
Regards,
Badger
So much effort to so little purpose.
Why, oh why did they not make Mk3s?
As if the world hasn't had enough of three-handed scope zeroing.
Oh and a note to fakers - if you're going to pair up a fake no32 with the 'correct numbered' bracket, don't use one of the most easily spottable repros on the market.
I had a thought and a little chuckle the other day about these telescopes. Can you just imagine the blokes face, after he's paid about £1000 for a dozen or so of these fake scopes from his supplier in Poland. THEN finding that he's asked for Mk3's, but he's got Mk2's! Ok....., but to top it all, even the Mk2's are wrongly engraved as Mk3's
Talk about being sold a pig in a poke! Now the whole world knows
Badger,
Yes, the castings of the turrets, the engraving style......all the same. They are obviously all from the same source, & it seems they're coming from (presumably) The Far East & being let out onto the market in the Benelux countries. No doubt they will diffuse across the globe in time!
Just glad I've got a few real ones......
ATB
It's a shame they aren't being more forthcoming with the repro's. If they were asking a sensible price , with an option of getting your own specific serial number, they'd have more business than they could handle.
G
Virtually admits its a repro, lists whats wrong with it and its still £1000 / $1500 with 12 hours to go.
Must say - he has been very fair to the bidders, offering to let them retract their bids.
Interesting web site
MG-15 SCOPE CASTING!
Looks like those castings are plastic?
I put a 'holding' bid on that fake No32. I was just offered a second chance offer at that bid price, under 1K. He must have several of them. If it was under $500 I may be temped.
Five-ish would be OK IF we knew they were servicable, AND they just came clean and sold them like honest folk....
mine should be here any day now so when it comes ill pull it apart(not fully) and compare the bits with my original MK1 No32 which was rebuilt here in OZZIE land by field instruments .. and then ill post a new thread comparing the two side by side
They're certainly not being open and honest. There's another on there currently and I reckon, given they've been made recently (as no one's seen them before) they know EXACTLY what they are. It's like my experiences of buying 4ts from a dealer - usually whenever I asked about things when one was offered they claimed to not know much about them, so exonerating themselves from being accused of mis-selling something. It's a classic dodgy trading ploy. 'I know nothing' (in a Belgian accent)
Prinz Eugen, if you are still looking for a 4T & don't mind an honest mis-match with a Mk1 or 2 scope then feel free to drop me a line....
ATB
I do agree that if they were sold as a copy with price to match, they would sell lots of them
that seller who has a few of them is really slow to post them,,as I sent him the funds through paypal over two weeks ago and he still hasn't posted the No32 scope yet !!! anyway he said he's posting it on sat the 19th he better !!!! as if I don't get the tracking number by the 20th i will contact paypal for a refund !!! this should get things moving with luck....
that seller who has a few of them is really slow to post them,,as I sent him the funds through paypal over two weeks ago and he still hasn't posted the No32 scope yet !!! anyway he said he's posting it on sat the 19th he better !!!!
You might find he didn't make until he had you money and was assured of an order, sorry to be suspicious but there's few good enough reasons to be that slow to send items, bad health and drop shipping might be the only legitimate ones.
Quote:
Originally Posted by lee_enfield223
Any news on that "No32" scope yet?
I'd be interested to see if they are total fabrications, or if they are made up from bits in a No32 stylee on one of those artilery piece sighting scopes.
Harry, they're new builds, probably from the Far East. I've seen a couple of them now in the flesh at the Ciney show in Belgium.
ATB
Dear All the No32 scope came today in the mail and there are differences !!!!!
although the scope is marked as a MK2 it's not !!! it's a MK1 and the cross hairs are thicker than my original mk1 also the screw threads are metric not BA and last of all the lens have a deep bluish tinge (they are not coated) compared to the clear originals.
Looking through the optics they are very sharp and gather light well at night compared to my original which has been fully serviced by field optics here in Australia it's just not as clear !!!! keeping in mind that it's over 69 years old.
if you look at one of the pictures you will see an Australian 20cent piece which has two of the same screws on it from the range drum mounting plate the original screw is longer but the diameter is the same.
getting to the point ,,,if you are after a copy it's not too bad and looking at the quality ,well it's not quite as good as the original in the way it's been put together,but optically it's great and would be very nice to shoot with.
there are other differences which you will see in the photos. like the back lens retainer ring it's missing the two slots and the markings are engraved in the scope tube not roll stamped like the originals were.
Also please be advised that I wanted to post bigger images but this site won't allow it and I would have had to use photo bucket and they have a bad habit of removing images.
So it has elevation adjustments in 50yd increments, and 2 MOA windage adjustments?
Can you see how well it "shoots the square" or some other repeatability test?
yes it's clicks are 2 moa the same as the original MK1's also I only received the scope about 3 hours ago so I haven't had a good chance to add that to the original post but will do so very soonQuote:
Originally Posted by jmoore
The general appearance reminds me of this mystery No32 MkII which turned up on eBay in Italy a few years back.
It almost looks like the CTH logo on there, but I can't be sure.
Does anyone have further info on these?
I have since mounted the scope and moved the rectical in both directions and found it to be as good as my original MK1 scope,and it's in 2 mins of angle,the same as the original
Another one now listed, at least he is saying 'new made' but whether anyone will actually pick up on it is debatable.
Lee Enfield No.4 T Sniper Scope No. 32 Mk. III on eBay (end time 08-Jul-10 05:00:30 BST)
Using the same pictures as before - the scope number in the pics is 17038 but the blurb says it's 17039. I suppose there's a market for them, given their general rarity, althouhg I suppose it might undermine the prices of genuine ones somewhat. Glad to see they've admitted it's a 'new build' but it's worth pointing out the same sellers were earlier claiming they didn't know if it was a new item or not (although they presumably had some idea when they ordered them!). I wonder if any further batches will correct the flaws pointed out here earlier...
The good thing about this scope and their general availability is that it gives a beginner a fighting chance of making up a good, reasonably cheap, competitive, look-a-like No4T with which to compete with the big boys with their real McCoys. And good luck to them.
It reminds me of a conversation a year or so ago with some civilian tank owners who scoffed at the notion that anyone would even admit to owning a Centurion. As for it being a recovery vehicle to boot, well............., I thought that they wanted the earth to open up (well, it would if they were bogged in on Hohne ranges.......). But, like No4T's, there are only SO many genuine Churchills and Shermans.
Anyway you novices wanting to compete with the No4T owners, the telescopes are now available (and cheaper too but watch the prices tumble.....) as are superb and even half decent brackets. As indeed is the wherewithall to convert a half decent No4 ti 'T' spec if you follow the instructions published recently. Attem boys.............
Hi All,
Just found another fake scope from the same seller on Ebay, its also listed as new and it has the same configuration. Its an Mk1 tube, an Mk3 engraving and an eyeshade is atached.
I am the guy that bought the scope that has you guys all talking......It really looks great on my rifle!!! But I spoke to Brian Dick at BDL Ltd, and he looked at the pics and said that it is a fake. I am going to send it to him to look at as soon as i get a chance and make an officail determination.
As far as the New auction with the same scope in it ....The seller informed me that when the scope did not sell the first time he set it up to relaunch at a later date. Mean while I purchased it. He never cancelled the new auction. He was very apologetic.
Even though I gambled and lost(the way things are looking), the scope really does look like a quality piece.
Well Thanks Guys!
Please dont bust my chops to bad!! :bash:
Thanks
Scott
Well, that's not quite true ... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by lee_enfield223
The site will handle uploaded JPG pics of 300 kb and that easily handles web viewing of images that are 1280x1024, or so large they'd fill your screen. :lol:
I think you're confusing original file size and height x width of pic. My camera takes over 10 megapixel shots which save with each pic being almost 4 megabytes in size .. :eek:
Obviously no web site is going to host pics of that size, so all I do is run them through something like the free Microsoft program. This FREE PowerToy enables you to resize one or many image files with a single (right-click) I use the 800x600 or 1024x768 mode for resizing with it and it creates small file sized (yet huge screen pics for viewing) using easy uploads, yet maintains excellent resolution and details for Internet viewing ..... and it's FREE !!!!
How do I upload or post images? (click here)
Microsoft's FREE Image Resizer (click here)
Hope that helps ... :)
If you still have problems, then email the full size pics to badger@milsurps.com and I'll re-size them for you and insert them into your post. :up:
Regards,
Badger
On the subject, another Mk2, this time a WATSON, on that auction site
1304-0918-7103 is very definately NOT a fake if that's what someone earlier was referring to
LEE ENFIELD SNIPER No32 TELESCOPE - eBay (item 130409187103 end time Jul-18-10 09:25:29 PDT)
No busting if you promise a detailed report! If these folk would just come clean I'd buy two or three just to have something which I could take out to the field and abuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Headhunter
Here's a question, how much should one of these repros actually cost? I know this is seriously speculative given no one seems to know who's making them, but a ball park figure would give me some guidance & be very appreciated.
Cheers!
At War and Piece show at Beltring, I saw them ranging from £440 for scope only to £850 for scope, mounts tin and pads. I went on the first day on the 21st july and saw two of these, one without mount and one with I offered him £1000 for both and after haggeling he agreed. As I didn't have that much cash on I offered £100 as down payment and will get the rest on sunday 25th july whach was also agreed. Only to go back and find the pitch empty and my deposit gone and the scopes. It's a shame cause I would have liked to strip them down and have a look inside to see what type of work had gone into them.
i would love to buy a replica no32 scope for a nice price. No my enfield is stuck with a no42 scope. So if anybody has a replica no32 for my savage no4mk1 let me know so i can finish my project for 100% before the remembrance of market garden in September
Cheers Tim
Just as a matter of interest, how did you get a No42 - or a 53 for that matter - into a No32 bracket? The diameter of the 42/53 is much larger
Hi Peter,
I just have a little bit of space between the 2 parts of the bracket. The scope is market with tel.stg no 42. I just got a few MM of space. Follow this link