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Have a look at this auction on Gunbroker, item 172181916.
The seller says "This one was imported from Pakistan But is Not a Khyber Pass rifle ... "Has some flaws ... Dated 1904"....
Lee Metford Rifle .303 British Cal Carbine Enfield : Curios and Relics at GunBroker.com
Then I had a look at his other auctions and realised this is a one-man epidemic
Yeah, look at their whole collection of Enfields. Funny that they advertise some as Khyber Pass rifles and some as 'non-shooter' only. I guess that they are just covering their bases.
"Imported with a group of rifles from Pakistan but appears to be an original Ishapore Indian Enfield that has been "customized by indigenous personnel", hence we are selling this as a NON shooter, a Wall Hanger, for parts or display purposes only." -172122260
Oh, boy, I JUST CAN'T WAIT for the "1941 Long Branch" I bought from them lol. I will be posting pics for dissection by forum members. I only found out about their reputation after I won the auction. Bugger :P
They have a website that looks legit? I know of no one who has dealt with them, though.
http://www.tnguns.com/shop/
The rifle in the original post, looks good to me. Very clean and hard to find specimen.
Unless you live in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas of Pakistan or the other side of the pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by bearhunter
"The rifle in the original post, looks good to me. Very clean and hard to find specimen."
You have a very, very dry sense of humour; had me worried there for a second
You guys tell me.
"ER" ? No history taught in the madrassa ?
Ooops my bad. Slept through that period.
King Edward VII. Reigned 1901 - 1910.Quote:
Originally Posted by TerryS
Oops. I just spotted that you had already spotted that. :madsmile:
Just the crown looks a little funny to me, other than that looks good
It gets scarey if you have too much time on your hands. I just followed up to see how many of their Khyber Pass No. 5's sold...26 sold by my counting. I didn't even look at their other Enfields.
From $70 to $210.
How many of these are going to be resold as shootable carbines?
Ha Ha, I was being facetious. It is a good looking fake though. It would make a great conversation piece, even if it is a tad over priced.
There is more wrong with it than just the crown stamp but nothing to serious. I wouldn't mind having it at all.
There is a lot more to collecting Lee Enfields, than just perfect examples. The fact that someone went to all that trouble to make a copy of the real thing, speaks volumes about the design and the ability of the maker. These rifles intrigue me. I recently found out that what I thought was a Khyber Pass Martini, turned out to be made by a government factory in Afghanistan, then was "modified" to resemble a British made rifle.
I don't care. It's unique and maybe even safer than I first thought. Explains the close attention to detail.
I wouldn't pay that much for that rifle but then again, I certainly wouldn't build one for that amount either.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I would really like to own this one; it would save me a world of time and trouble building one.
On the other hand, I likely also would call it a fake. Just 'WAY too many things wrong. BSA stamps are not the same ones used on the rifles I already have (which I KNOW are good) and which date between about 1893 and 1938 and are very consistent among themselves. Commercial bolt-head on a rifle supposedly military. Birmingham Repair stamps indicate service during the Great War; that was Sparkbrook when it made rifles.
It is a re-stamp, that's for sure. But it's still a pretty rifle. Wonder how it shoots?
Just wish it wasn't priced much too high.
Now here is a bit of a mystery -Quote:
Originally Posted by finloq
JUNGLE CARBINE 303 C&R OK : Curios and Relics at GunBroker.com
Looks like a standard 'conversion' of a No1 to a 'Tanker carbine' until you look at the markings on the butt socket (last picture), typical of KP markings.
Overall looks too nice to be a TGI / Khyber Pass but there must be questions about its pedigree & shootability.
Did someone buy a TGI / KP and 'convert it' ?
Is it a new range of KP rifles ?
Is it legit (just badly marked) ?
He has another up for sale that has the standard TGI mark (TE0019). I would hazard a guess that someone told Srinivas that they were not buying anymore No. 1's, so he started converting his home made rifles into carbines.
Both of the items he has for sale have the 'Ishy screw' Relevant or not ?
If these are KP rifles we should be afraid, very afraid.
They are starting to look good, metal finish and fit is good, wood finish and fit is good.
On previous 'sales' the KP rifles had twisted sights, badly fitting woodwork and even sold without bolts as they couldnt be fitted. These were probably the factory sweepings (sorry - hut sweepings) to make way for the new production that we see today.