Buttplate ID

I know, another ID question. I have two that I would like some help with.

I'm thinking that the first one is a late Winchester. When looking at the outside, it looks like there are two dots at the bottom and four at the top. Problem is, when I look at the underside, it looks like there are very faint dimples outside the two and four.

According to references that I have seen, the second one might be either NPM or SG. I have also seen other characteristics for both of those not seen on this BP.

What do you guys think?

Thanks, Greg V

Greg, The first is a late winchester. Counting over and down, I marked three spots I look at to match the Winchester. There is not enough of the 2nd one to make a comparison. Can you post a full pic of its front and back please?

Ed

Greg, I looked at the second one again and I believe it is a NPM based on the area you showed. The two dots at 12 o'clock are "shaved" on the inside, as well as the dot at 7 o'clock. Both the right and left side vertical rows end at two dots below the first horizontal row of dots at the bottom of the screw hole. There are also 4 rows of 3 on the right and left side of the hole.... There are a couple of other places I would want to look, but are not shown in the pic.

Hope this helps.

I do appreciate the info.

I'll not swear to the accuracy of this, but I had this page bookmarked that claims to identify butt plates of the makers:

M1 Carbine Buttplate Identification

Hope that helps.

Greg,

I am glad you posted the full pictures because I thought that looked familiar. I have the exact same butt plate. It is a very hard one to identify. It is actually a QHMC. The two references which I have handy are Riesch’s and the Chestnut site. Anyway, here is the dot count to prove it:

1) 2 ½ dots on right side below the first full line
2) 2 ½ dots on left side below the first full line
3) 8 dots up on right side from top full line
4) right side, second line in extends 5 ½ dots up
5) 4 full rows of 3 dots each on both the right and left side of screw hole
6) 16 dots down from full row
7) the bottom two dots appear on this version of the stamp, but neither of the book references because the book reference and the website are using examples which where fully encircled by the stamp. You can make out where the encircling stamp cuts into what would be two dots on the bottom of the examples.

When I got mine, it took me several days (and a couple of headaches) to figure it out because the lack of encirclement kept throwing me off. Mine came on stock stamped HQ which has a QHMC ordnance stamp on the right side (don't see those very often). That kinda helped me figure it out.

Now, I realize that this “diagnosis” does not fully comply with the references because I claim that it was not fully encircled. However, I have no ready reference showing such a perfect match on all the other dot points of the any other manufacture's butt plate.

Best I can do…. Oh, there's no charge for the extra art work on your picture…

Ed

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Originally Posted by stickhauler

I'll not swear to the accuracy of this, but I had this page bookmarked that claims to identify butt plates of the makers:

M1 Carbine Buttplate Identification

Hope that helps.

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That was one that I was looking at that shows it as SG.

Thanks again Ed. Those are the two references that I have also. There are a couple of these BP's that will drive a guy nuts!

Greg

I have always been partial to carbines and redheads.... carbines because you get a great rifle that you can depend on... redheads because they usually have freckles and you get to play connect-the-dots.... ID'ing buttplates is kinda like combining both sports....

Just the way I called it....

That's a good one. Thanks again Ed.

I'm needing ID on a couple of buttplates and rather than start a new thread, I decided to ask my questions on this older one. I thought "Tired Retired" did a nice job with his explanations and the buttplates I have in question are much like one of those shown above. In my first picture, the plate on the left is one I just bought on eBay advertised as late Inland-SG. After I received it, and compared it to the plate next to it in the picture, I've just about decided that the two are the same (late Winchester) - what do you guys think? The second picture is from another eBay auction, both plates listed as "unidentified." I'm guessing that these two plates are probably both late Inland-possibly correct for SG, even though they aren't identical. I'm trying to find one that's right for an S'G' but one for an SG is close enough. Any help with postive ID on those pictured would be greatly appreciated. - Thanks, Bob

On USGI's buttplates,

The two identical ones are Winchester Late. The two different ones are IBM (Left) and Winchester Early (right). Highlighted areas are what was found to be uniquely matching. I used both the Chestnut Ridge site and Riesch's book. I can not see the dots in War Baby! well enough to count them.

Hope that Helps