Just curious if anybody had some more information on this rifle any help would be appriciated.
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Just curious if anybody had some more information on this rifle any help would be appriciated.
Really need more information- The M1924 generally refers to an FN intermediate length action. I don't know who all purchased it. These became the Yugoslav standard issue longarm prior to the Nazi occupation in 1941. They had FN set them up a factory and they began producing their own 1924s under license from FN. These were 7.92 x 57 as you specify.
When you specify "type II" however, that sounds like a Yugoslav nomenclature, nothing I am familiar with FN using. The Yugoslavs produced 3 versions of the model 1924 "short rifle." There was the basic "short rifle" for infantry, and two "carbines." The "carbines" differed not at all in length or any other dimension but only by the addition of an extra set of side mounted sling swivels. These two "carbines" were designated as "Type I" & "Type II." The Type I was specified for cavalry use and had a bent bolt. (The basic model 1924 rifle had a straight bolt.) The "type II carbine" had a straight bolt and was intended for other mounted troops such as bicycle troops.
See pics below- The double stack image on left is of the "type II carbine." The weapon on the right is a model 1924 "short rifle" as issued to infantry. Note the extra sling swivels on the "carbine."
I can't be sure this answers your question but with no more info, it's all I can tell you. If you can post images or at least a description of receiver ring crest and/or side rail stamps, then I could verify whether or not it's Yugo.
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Some M1924 side rail markings and receiver ring crest used post WWI to 1941.
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I am continually amazed about the depth and breath of knowledge here!!!
I got the type 2 nomenclature from this thread ( my rifle has these exact markings) and thanks for the information and anymore on my rifle would be appriciated.
Yugo model1924 type II
I posted that thread you referenced and was pretty thorough. There's little I can add but some general back ground. The Yugoslavs spent the 1920s looking for more modern arms with which to equip their troops but money was a problem. They finally settled on the 8mm (7.92x57) round and Mauser rifle system. They were impressed with FN's model 1924 intermediate action length and were able to make a deal with that Belgian firm. The Yugoslavs purchased 100,000 rifles (plus accessories & ammo) from them with an agreement to provide machines and training for the Yugoslavs to manufacture their own rifles. The rifles purchased from FN bore Yugoslavian royal crest but Belgium's FN Co. logo on the side rail. Production began in 1928 under the Kingdom of the Serbs, Croats and Slovenes. This was changed in 1929 (and thus changed the side rail marking) to the Kingdom of Yugoslavia under King Alexander I Karageorgevich. Rifles and carbines produced in his reign were stamped on the butts with his cartouche- A stylized "A" over a Roman numeral "I". He was an unpopular tyrant and assassinated in 1934. However, stocks on rifles manufactured after that can be found still bearing his cartouche (as on my Type II carbine you cited). He was replaced by King Petar II Karageorgevich who reigned until Nazi occupation in 1941. (he fled to England and headed a government in exile for a time but was ineffectual. Tito rated his governance from 1943.
That's about it in a nutshell. For the long version, get a copy of "Serbian & Yugoslav Mauser Rifles," 2005 North Cape Publishing, Branko Bogdanovic. (and no, I get nothing from them to promote them).
That help? :)
Yep jim thank you very much i was always curious about the history of it it's funny my dad got this rifle in a barrell full of mausers back in the 70s for 25 bucks he used it for years for elk hunting and always did great anyways i always loved that old thing when i was young but for some reason he cut the stock to sporterize it ( why? i have no clue) well after many years he finally gave it to me and iam putting it back to original ( picking up a stock i found on ebay this weekend) .
I did that with a model 1924 "rifle" (no extra side swivels). It went through three versions. The main problem was finding a model 1924 stock with a King Alexander I cartouche that hadn't been through refurb as a 24/47. They scrubbed the royal cartouche and added different stamps.
When I got the rifle (a friend gave it to me since it had been butchered beyond collectibility.) It came in an M48 stock with the straight bolt having been cut off and welded back bent and a radius cut out of the bolt arm for a scope clearance. The bolt struck the side of the stock and would not lock down. The really sad thing is that this was a "CXC" stamped rifle. (CXC- Cyrillic for SHS= denoting Kingdom of Serbs, Croats & Slovenes.) This was the first side marking- only 18,XXX rifles produced in 1928 and probably less than 50,000 in 1929 when the marking was changed to reflect the Kingdom's new name of "Kingdom of Yugoslavia." Perhaps less than 50,000 CXC marked Yugo made rifles in all. Who knows how many- really how few, escaped destruction, capture, wearing out and refurbing into 24/47? This rifle is relatively rare (in original condition) and it was butchered! Ahh well.
Anyway, restoration #1 involved replacing stock with 24/47 stock and straight bolt. Looked right is about all that could be said. Then #2, I found a stock with a complete King Alexander cartouche but otherwise modified as 24/47. Then finally, final & number 3, I found an unaltered 1st generation stock. It was some beat up but then, so was the finish of this rifle's metal work. It was a good match and nicely striped too! Further more, it's serial number was stamped not on the buttstock as was done with later M1924 rifles and later the 24/47s, butt on the side of the Right side of the stock under the receiver ring. Even better, it was so worn as to be nearly unreadable. You can hardly tell the stock does not match!:cool: Anyway, here's the pictorial history. https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=22655
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Ya the stock i found didnt have the cartouche but its in great shape for 60.00 bucks and all the hardware is there i will keep looking for a correct one though and if anybody has one ( iam interested) also can you point me to the correct strap for our rifles i see a couple on ebay but they all seem to differ slightly iam also looking for a correct bayonet.
As far as I can tell, the sling you want is an M1930 and I have never seen one for sale. It has rather odd studs. Here's some pics. The sling came with the weapon in this case- not mine alas but courtesy of a friend.
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A correct bayonet would be the long one marked as shown. I also included a comparison page I made up for a publication. They can be found time to time on eBay, & gun auction sites. Prices can range between $65-$125+ though I would not recommend paying much beyond $75-$80 at most because though not offered frequently, they due turn up often enough to make it worthwhile waiting on a lower price. I only gave $67 for that one- delivered though I grant that was a year or three ago.
Strictly speaking, I should have a bayo stamped with the earlier "ATZ" as seen on the scabbard since my rifle was made in 1929 but, for the money I wasn't splitting hairs. :)
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Again jim thanks for the info i saw all the short ones on ebay but had no idea the long one was the correct one i almost pulled the trigger on one today anyways i got the new stock on this morning and it fit like a glove and is in great shape and looks great i just needed the set screws which i found.
Very nice. :thup: One thing to consider is that the cleaning rod should be blued.
yep i need to do that btw also jim my yugo is missing the capture screws do you have a source that i can find them the ones i got didnt fit? thanks in advance
I was give a WW II rifle over 35 years ago, not sure what make or model it is. I keep it in my rifle cabinet and take out out for cleaning and have never fired it. I have posted some pictures in case you want to look at it and let me know what I've got.
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ed_1952
Jugoslav Mauser Model 1924.
Non-matching.
Caliber should be 7.92x57 (a.k.a. 8mm Mauser) unless it has been rechambered.
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Patrick
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Originally Posted by Patrick Chadwick
Is it woth anything?
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Is it worth anything?
I don't know in which country you reside, so I can only say: in Mauserland, not much. The market is flooded with Yugoslav mixmasters. A friend just got a good shooter for 66 Euros.
Patrick
Don't be so quick to write off what you don't know about. That is a Yugoslav Model 1924B. Those are rifles converted either from German Gew98 rifles or Mexican model 1912 7mm rifles. These were rechambered to 8mm spitzer round. Both rifles were altered to the standard of the M1924 short rifle.
By the marks on the bolt (of those I am not too sure) I would hazard to guess this one was originally a Gew 98. You do not see that many of these available any more. It well may, even in this condition, fetch $300 or better (assuming a decent bore) in the USA or Canada.
I can add some more to this... I just noticed WFO had PM'd me way back in Sept. For some reason, I never noticed it until now.:yikes::madsmile::o (SORRY!!!) Any way, his PM and the part of his quote in bold above tie together and warrant an answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by WFO
First as to why your dad sporterized the thing. Then as now, a good sporting rifle could put a dent in your pocket and unlike today (more's the pity) a lot more people hunted. It was still a wide spread time honored tradition. (Held up in part by the fact that more people lived in the country than did in the cities. That has only changed in the last decade I believe.) A lot of the men of 25 years ago were WWII veterans who well knew the quality of Mauser rifles from being on the hard end of them. Starting back in the 50s or 60s, (I only recall the 60s, to young in the 50s) they started putting out these WWII surplus guns for pennies on the dollar- like your Dad's barrel of $25 Mausers. Only thing was, most of those guys had no interest in collecting military weapons. They wanted a sporting rifle and they wanted it to look like one. A whole generation of closet and garage gunsmiths made their money converting military Mausers into sporting rifles. Financially, it only made sense. Even a lot of high end custom guns of the day started as military surplus. These were, as a rule, well made whether plain or fancy, no relation to today's Bubba hack jobs. (I once saw an Arisaka (complete with dust cover and intact mums!) that had the front sight ear guards literally struck off with a chisel.:crying::banghead:
Unfortunately, the thought that some at least among those might one day prove collectible or even valuable never even dawned upon the average fellow.
Concerning that odd stock cut for the sling, that would have been a German modification to use K98 slings. Sure proof of German capture and a very desirable (before chopping) example. Back in the day, if you'd have drug one of those rifles out of the barrel and said "You know, one day this rifle might be worth as much as $500..." you'd have been laughed right out of the store. (And I do not exaggerate. Intact CXC rifles have brought as much as that and German modifications will drive up the price too.
Well, there you have it.
thanks jim! and i also apologize for the late response ( been busy as hell)