I just a rock-ola stock and i was want to know if it was a fake or the real deal. the cartouse is kinda on the light side. and i dont see the P handle but it could be worn. But it has RMC in the slot.
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I just a rock-ola stock and i was want to know if it was a fake or the real deal. the cartouse is kinda on the light side. and i dont see the P handle but it could be worn. But it has RMC in the slot.
RMC in the sling slot could be for Rock-ola, Underwood, Quality Hardware, Saginaw, or Iwin-Pederson. If it has a Rock-ola carouche, it should have a large RMC in either a square or rectangle just forward of the cartouche. This is according to Riesch. Also, fake cartouches are sometimes far more detailed and defined than originals. I've been looking for a USGI Rock-ola stock and handgaurd for months.
the RMC is in a rectangle but it looks like it was lightly stamped. but the stock is a high wood. and i would give it a 8 of 10. it just has a few dings on it.
here is a pic of it
Yep, that's a Rock-ola Type II High wood, oval cut stock. Rock-ola used that stock for carbines from (approx) SN 1,700,000 to 6,200,000. My dream stock ;) Know where I can find one? :bow:
I got this one at riverbankaromy.com u can call and ask him if he has any more. That one cost me $400.00 but I just got my rockola rifle about a week ago. And got lucky to find one like that this fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by G26ster
Yeah, he is out of Rock-ola. The last one I saw (still on his site but marked SOLD for $250) was a low wood, I cut (so it was modified during rebuild). Rock-olas are some pretty pricey stocks (as well as their other parts). Thanks.
Riverbank Armory is well known for selling fake carbine items, you need to post a full size pic of the cartouche, all his items on ebay and gunbroker have been fake.
Scott
What are some ways to make sure that its not a fake by looking at the cartouche. I do have pic of it. But u have to look at it real good to see it.
Do you have Riesch's book "U.S. M1 Carbine Wartime Production?" If so, it's on pg 120. Too much to quote here. Basically he says to beware of cartouches that look too good in that they are "crisp and complete." He says that flat cartouche stamps were used on contoured stocks, so some edges may be lighter or missing. A fake cartouche may look too good because the applier spends a lot of time trying to make the cartouche "look perfect."
I'm certainly no expert here, so I'm not sure how else to tell, but perhaps you might email folks like Bill Ricca for advice.
I know it not perfect and there is a scratch on the cartouche. And its nowhe
here is a better pic.
Measure the rectangle with RMC in it. Should be o.40 x 0.76". The letters should be 0.30" The cartouche should be 1/2". Also "appears' to have the "faint line" as mentioned in Riesch's book. This is the best info I can provide. Hopefully others will chime in.
Unfortunately, Rock-Ola stock parts seem to be the most often faked stock parts out there.....Frank
P.S. have you noticed all of the stamps for sale on E-Bay? One has to wonder how and who uses them.
nchristian
From what I can see the cartouche is original, not fake.
Scott
thanks eveyone for taking a look at this. maybe i can be some help for yall soon
well the stock doesnt seem to have that distinctive red tint that is the "tell tale" sign of old George's refinishing
Hey, that red is downright pretty.Quote:
Originally Posted by phillydude
Take a good look at the crossed cannons in relation to the RMC and the direction they are pointing in.
Bruce,
I seen that also........ But didn't want to throw out a guess because it's hard to tell with the picture of the stamp laying sideways.
I hope it's real for the buyers sake.
Cheers,
Charlie