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I recently aquired a model Springfield Model 1922 and was hoping your expertise could help me identify which one I have. I belive it is an unaltered, but not sure. It appears there are many variations. I can post pictures but not sure what they need to be of. The receiver reads
U.S. Springfield Armory
Model of 1922
CAl..22
1444
Your help would be appreciated.
It sounds interesting Cleetus, and pictures are for sure worth (mare than) a thousand words for identification.
Any and all parts help with ID when it comes to old guns, and this one in particular.
Try to get some close-ups of the receiver, sights, any markings, etc.
If your 1922 is unaltered you have a very desireable rifle.
If the rifle action is marked just Model 1922 and no "M2" or "M1 or M11" then you have the orginal Model 1922.
There was only about 2020 Springfield 1922's made before Springfield started making the 1922M1.
P.S. welcome to the forum.
Cleetus, Welcome to the forum.
I collect the 1922 Series Springfield's and can give you some pointers about what to look for.
1922 #1444 should have a late 1922 or early 1923 barrel.
The stock should have a thick, shotgun type buttplate, fore end with no grasping grooves and a step down on the front 4" or so of the fore end. There should be a barrel band around the stock at the step down.
The finish on the receiver, barrel, trigger guard and floor plate should be a dark rust blue. The finish on the buttplate and barrel band should be a shiny black (nitre blackened).
The bolt should be in the white with no rifle serial number etched on it. The firing pin should have a double striker. This is easily seen when looking at the face of the bolt. The firing pin should be headless (no gas deflection nut).
The rear sight should be a Lyman 48 with the elevation slide numbered to 125. There may or may not be a model number on the front of the sight base.
The front sight should be a simple military post. A very common aftermarket modification is the addition of a globe front sight.
There will very rarely be holes drilled and tapped in the receiver ring and barrel for mounting scope blocks from Springfield Armory. Most all the 1922 models will not have scope block holes and most of them that have the holes are aftermarket work of a gunsmith.
The magazine should extend a half inch or so below the floorplate when inserted into the rifle. If the magazine fits in flush with the floorplate it will the a 1922 M1 or M2 Magazine.
Hopes this is helpful. Clear, closeup photos will help but are not essential to identifying the rifle.
FWIW
[QUOTE=Herschel;145846]Cleetus, Welcome to the forum.
I collect the 1922 Series Springfield's and can give you some pointers about what to look for.
1922 #1444 should have a late 1922 or early 1923 barrel.
The stock should have a thick, shotgun type buttplate, fore end with no grasping grooves and a step down on the front 4" or so of the fore end. There should be a barrel band around the stock at the step down.
The finish on the receiver, barrel, trigger guard and floor plate should be a dark rust blue. The finish on the buttplate and barrel band should be a shiny black (nitre blackened).
The bolt should be in the white with no rifle serial number etched on it. The firing pin should have a double striker. This is easily seen when looking at the face of the bolt. The firing pin should be headless (no gas deflection nut).
The rear sight should be a Lyman 48 with the elevation slide numbered to 125. There may or may not be a model number on the front of the sight base.
The front sight should be a simple military post. A very common aftermarket modification is the addition of a globe front sight.
There will very rarely be holes drilled and tapped in the receiver ring and barrel for mounting scope blocks from Springfield Armory. Most all the 1922 models will not have scope block holes and most of them that have the holes are aftermarket work of a gunsmith.
The magazine should extend a half inch or so below the floorplate when inserted into the rifle. If the magazine fits in flush with the floorplate it will the a 1922 M1 or M2 Magazine.
Hopes this is helpful. Clear, closeup photos will help but are not essential to identifying the rifle.
FWIW[/QUO
Herschel have you ever written a article or a total list of information on the 1922's? I for one would like to see all the info you have on the 1922's.
I have five 1922's and all differant. 1922, 1922M2 with "A" serial number, 1922M1, 1922M11, and a 1922M2.
Frank
Cleetus, were you able to identify and get pics?
Thank you all for the information. Sorry it took so long but got shipped out of town for a few days. With all these details I belive it is an un modified 1922 except the stock has grooves in the foregrip. I do not have a magazine for it so that is next on my agenda. Hence the reason for wanting to identify it. I believe each model had a different one. Any idea on where to start looking for one? Aftermarket would be fine for now but I would like to find an original eventually just because. Thanks again for all of your help!
Cleetus,
From all I can see in the photos you have a Model of 1922 with all correct and original parts. The grasping groove stock as pictured is a type that my references say came on some of the early 1922 Model rifles. It is unusual but correct for a Model of 1922. A 1922 magazine is correct for your rifle but will be very hard to find. Expect to pay $300 to $500 for one. A 1922M1 magazine will work and these show up frequently on ebay and occasionally on the internet gun auction sites. They usually go for $ 125 to $150. The aftermarket magazines don't have a good reputation for functioning properly. I have a 1922M1 magazine and an aftermarket magazine that I would sell. Email me if you are interested in either one.
Congratulations on finding a nice rifle.
I second Herschel. Congratulations on such a nice rifle Cleetus!
It's always so nice when the photos arrive and it's everything positive that could be imagined.
I also have 1922M1 magazines for sale. One blued and one parkerized and both are orginal.
I just gave a new after-market magazine away free as it wouldn't fit any three of my rifles.
cleetus, If you find an original magazine make sure it is NOT stamped M2 on the top left side. The M2 magazines are slightly longer which means they extend slightly higher into the receiver. The 1922 bolt might hit the top of the M2 magazine when one attempts to use it in a 1922 or 1922M1 rifle.
congrats , thats a beauty , one day i would like to think i could be so fortunate , its one ive had a desire for
Beautiful