CMP M1 bayonet

The CMP started selling a M1 bayonet and M7 scabbard from an unidentified maker. The CMP presumes they are US. The marking appears to be EN 5 (rather than ENS noted by the CMP). The S in US is curved while the EN 5 has squared corners.

The CMP listing is http://www.thecmp.org/accessories.htm see the "Garand Bayonet - Model M1with Scabbard - Used/serviceable"

There are two different “US” markings on the scabbards ; one of the scabbards shows a makers mark molded into the plastic, a double H with a WV above it, as shown in the pictures.

Any info about these bayonets would be appreciated.


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I'm quite sure these aren't U.S. issue but I've no proof for you. I was offered one of those scabbards recently at a gunshow and turned it down for that reason. The marking on the scabbard reminds me of something Greek I've seen way in the past.

Looks like the crossguard is cast? I see a distinct line.

Not an Expert..Don't know if it means much.

I saw the same thing but took it to be a forging mark.

Kirk, the symbol in the right most picture on post #1 (the H intersected with a vertical line and a "tree top" on a scabbard) is shown on page 65 of American Military Bayonets of the 20th Century. Under drawings of a bayonet and two different scabbard markings, the author writes, "This M1 Bayonet and M7 style scabbard are believed to have been made on Formosa for use on their M1 Rifles."

I assume that when foreign countries return their M1 Garands and associated equipment to the US, they just send everything regardless where it was produced. I also assume that the people involved in the sending and receiving don't know (and most don't care) where the items were manufactured. It is up to collectors to solve these mysteries.

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I assume that when foreign countries return their M1 Garands and associated equipment to the US, they just send everything regardless where it was produced.

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I assume much the opposite - they only turn in what they have to to meet their obligations, and sell the rest. The CMP bought the bayonets as part of a package deal.

its not US , most likely as discussed above

you would think the cmp would fire sale(reduce)these as i know most will steer clear as they don't seem collectible.

I looked at the CMP page. Nothing there looked, to me, to be in the collectible status.
If you are just starting out, you have to start somewhere. What are you seeing at gun shows for the same money? Compare condition and prices.
Some may want to have one, just because they don't have a better example.
These were a lot less money and better condition when some of us started, so we are lucky and spoiled a bit by looking at today's values.

Are you saying they have to look almost brand new, not used, to be collectible. I'll check the CMPs I ordered with the ones I paid double($125) at the gun shows.

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Are you saying they have to look almost brand new, not used, to be collectible. I'll check the CMPs I ordered with the ones I paid double($125) at the gun shows.

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No, I am not saying they have to look almost brand new to be collectible. Some can just be harder to find makers, and you take what condition you find, if or until, you can update it.

Folks reasoning for collecting can vary. If someone is collecting just to have one of each (whatever kind of knife or bayonet) then condition may not be important to that person. If someone is collecting as an investment. And down the road you may intend to sell them instead of willing them to someone. Condition then is a very large factor.

Just because someone pays $50 for a knife and another pays $125, doesn't necessarily mean the $125 knife is in better condition or worth more. I know when I started out I was paying more then something was worth. Sometimes from impluse buying, sometimes it was inexperience. Sometimes from wanting something from my past.

Bottom line is we all collect for our own personal reasons. If we are happy with our own collections, that is what counts.

thats a well put explanation of what was rattling around in my head ,

some collect quality , some representative examples , some every version of a specific one they can lay their hands on ,

some just want a pointy bit for the end of their rifle that looks correct ,

in the end - refer back to that last sentance in the post above :)

All are collectable to someone. Just like old cars or anything else the better the condition the more valuable something is. Just depends on what you are looking for and what you want. Are you collecting or investing? I just recently started collecting and have bought several blades but by far my most valuable one is a K84/98 that I know was brought home by my uncle and he gave it to me when I was 16yo. I looked on the CMP and plan to watch them a while and see if the prices do come down. They have a ton, well actually several tons, of them and I doubt they will sell out anytime soon.

I just got my order from CMP yesterday. A 1906 SA cut down, 1918 RIA cut down, a U C and UFH .the last two look almost band new . I spent 2 hrs cleaning them up as it was a beautiful day here in florida ( I like it when it rains at 70degrees) and the garage door up.
The scabbards are two with flaming bomb and two marked US M 7 with that H with line and tree thing on top like the one pictured in top post. If any interest I'll post a pic. the fl-bombs have a metal tip(painted green ) riveted on the end ,I've never seen this before.

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I just got my order from CMP yesterday. A 1906 SA cut down, 1918 RIA cut down, a U C and UFH .the last two look almost band new . I spent 2 hrs cleaning them up as it was a beautiful day here in florida ( I like it when it rains at 70degrees) and the garage door up.
The scabbards are two with flaming bomb and two marked US M 7 with that H with line and tree thing on top like the one pictured in top post. If any interest I'll post a pic. the fl-bombs have a metal tip(painted green ) riveted on the end ,I've never seen this before.

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Sure, I'd like to see them.

The scabbards with the metal tip are Italian I think.