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My Dad just picked up a late 44 Inland.We went to the range to shoot and had to adjust the rear sight all the way to the left to get it to hit even close.We were shooting 100 yrds and had to put the elev on 2.Is this normal? We were shooting PRVI 110 gr fmj.
Also,what kind of accuracy were these weapons capable of when they were new,out to 100 yrds?
Front sight blade could have been filed down, causing you to use the 200 yrd setting.
As far as hitting left or right....
Try reading these past links......
Carbine rear sight settings?
Lost My Mind At the Range
HTH,
Charlie-painter777
Thanks Painter777 good info,will pass it on to Dad.
If you are printing POA at 100 yards with the rear sight set on the 200 yard mark then the front sight is too high. You can set the rear sight at the 100 yard setting and file down the front sight until the bullet prints where you want it to at 100 yards, or change the front sight to one with a lower blade to get it closer to POA at 100 yards, or just leave it like it is and enjoy it. How often will you shoot a carbine beyond 100 yards (I don't). There is more than one issue to consider if you start filing or pulling front sights, most notably irreversible damage to an original condition collector grade piece.
If the carbine is an obvious post-war re-build and it bothers you to see the aperature in the wrong setting then take a file and a box of ammo to the range and have at it. I believe that is how the carbine sights were originally regulated for elevation during manufacture. Just make sure you are not damaging something that is valuable and irreplaceable before you do it. HTH, ChipS
Chip,
Thanks for covering my back.
I mis read his post, it's been one of those days.
Thanks again,
Charlie
P.S. I sent Chainsaw a PM. I hope I catch them in time
No problem, Charlie. Yours was a benign error. I committed a bigger sin by not telling him to try different ammo first before he did anything to his sight. I also sent him a PM to recommend diffferent ammo first. I don't remember if Privi Partisan is relatively low velocity stuff but if it is that may be the whole problem. I hope he understands that my main point was to not butcher up a valuable collectible just to get the rear sight zeroed at 100 yards.Quote:
Originally Posted by painter777
Privi is good ammo and should hit close to the same point as milspec. Its the Aguilla that is low velocity.
Thanks fellas',for the corrections.There is no way I would take a file to this or any milsurp that would have any kind of value,don't worry about that!Quote:
Originally Posted by ChipS
One of these days I will put up a few pics of it.Thanks.
You will want to move the rear sight base to the left enough to allow the aperture to be centered and hit the centerline of the target. Because the sight base gets tighter when moved to the left, you will have to take it out to the right and file on the sight dovetails (not the receiver) until it goes left far enough and is tight. Once it is set you can stake it in place. This is a normal sight adjustment but was to have been done at least by an armorer, not the troops.
As already posted you do not use the rear elevation for sighting in at 100 yds. It is there only for shots longer than 150 yds. Fix the rear sight first. Once you have it lined up you can adjust the front sight to be about 3" high at 100. The 1 - 1.5 setting on the rear sight is actually a 150 yd zero, so it will be a little high at 100.
FWIW:
Sometime shimming forend of the stock or the end of handguard will move the point of impact , sometimes as much as 2 MoA. The shims can be as thin as a piece of tape or as thick as a business card . I don't worry too much about the number setting on the rear sight .
If the 100 zero ends up the 200 or 250 notch , 5 and 10 MoA worth of adjustment are still available. IME , that's plenty for hobby use of what is basically a 100 -150 yard niche personal defense weapon. At 200 and beyond bullet drop and wind effects are significant issues.
YMMV.
The fact that they have to be moved all over the place to center them up is because they were built in a very hasty manner and the sum total of little errors adds up to crooked barrels, misaligned receiver holes, badly indexed barrels etc. The M1 Garands are little better and they put the FRONT sight in an adjustable slot to make up for this stuff. I have an original 5.6 Winchester that is in just wonderful condition and unaltered since built. When viewed from the rear sight area, nothing lines up, everything is crooked. Yet it shoots spot on to POA at 100yds. So we have an expensive original, by the company that made guns punching out a pretty shoddy product from a cosmetic standpoint that works perfectly. Now take that same situation and add a sight that it never had before slapped on in haste and what's left?
That's interesting but is incorrect advice for a carbine owner wishing to have the sights correctly set according to the military manuals. Anything done to the carbine that differs from the manuals is incorrect and contributes to the unavoidable deterioration over time of the overall status of carbines. The carbine was to be targeted by firing at two targets (25 yd and 100 yd) with the rear sight on 1 - 1.5. Elevation adjustments were made on the front sight. It's basically the same procedure as the earlier 'flip' sight.
I was incorrect in the brand of ammo I stated,it is S and B,not Prvi.Sorry.