Whoever ends up with this one is in for it - Springfield Pistol Grip Stock 1903A3 03A3 1903 A1 Nice - eBay (item 260706900009 end time Dec-18-10 18:01:13 PST)
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Whoever ends up with this one is in for it - Springfield Pistol Grip Stock 1903A3 03A3 1903 A1 Nice - eBay (item 260706900009 end time Dec-18-10 18:01:13 PST)
Honesty, not sure what i am looking at. Real and humped up? Modern and humped up? RA stamp is what? 27 bids???
What makes this a stock that has been made up? Looks Ok at first glance for a 03 A3/A4, maybe refinished. What is wrong the stock or the markings? :dunno:
A better understanding of why there are 27 bids. Oops, now it is 28 bids.
First, Remington never used a C stock on the 03-A3, it does not have the bolt relief cutout for an 03-A4, and the markings are really amateurish.
You have to think of every letter within its own block, just like a stamp and dye set. Imagine that "J" a "U" and it runs right into the "F"! Not even close to being properly spaced.
$350,00 OUCH!!.....Frank
One of my gun collecting buddies got all excited at a recent Tulsa Gun Show when he spotted a table load of 1903 Springfield 'S' stocks in nice shape. However, upon closer examination of the depth of the recoil bolts in the stocks or lack of same, he deduced ALL of the stocks had been restamped with correct WWI vintage boxed Springfield inspector cartouches. The stocks were represented as original is my undertstanding. If the faker had been a bit sharper, he would have 'aged' the markings a bit with a good 0000 steel wool rub to better match the stock's overall condition and he'd have made things a whole lot more difficult for a purchaser to tumble to his scam.
This phenomena will continue to be a growing problem for collectors as the fakers will only get better and smarter in their effort to duplicate these markings. It's already a pretty serious problem particularly with M-1 Garands and M-1 Carbines. It's a situation which is not going to go away, so it just means we all got to get a whole lot smarter and informed in our collecting pursuits.
The seller is "reverendbob 1" ouch, Father. Guys gotta be better informed. I can not tell if this is a real GI WWII stock or a recent production, but I'm guessing Boyd's wood. One of my buddies bought a real WWII Keystone "C" stock at Reno that had been Remington stamped up and down. He paid real money for it, too. When I showed him it was humped up he got mad at me. Oh, well.
PS- I took another look at this item. No where does this seller actually claim this to a be a real USGI Army-issued stock. Re-read his ad. Carefully.
Sold for $330. Yes, the inspection stamps are pretty easy to spot as being faked. Unfortunately, some of the humped stocks aren't that easy to spot.
Please excuse the dumb question but what does "humped" mean?
Faked, counterfeited, messed with, not the real deal, phony, etc :mad:
D. :cheers:
Thanks, I was coming to the conclusion that was what it probably meant but I wasn't sure.
I was watching that to find out what it would finally go for. Thought it might be a fake.
What does a decent condition Springfield C stock really go for
He does say it has "ordinance" marks, and that would only be on original military stocks. But then ordinance is not actually ordnance, so maybe that is an out also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calif-Steve
Stamped with ordinance marks: FJA, RA, Crossed Cannons, P stamp under pistol grip, matching hand guard, see photos for details.
A nice pre-war C-stock will easily fetch $400, but look what the fakes are bringing, so maybe a lot more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calfed
wish i could find a springfield c stock in good shape for 400 bucks. two guys got in a bidding war over one on ebay last year and it sold for well over 800 bucks. i've went to 450 on two and was outbid. maybe one day i'll get lucky.....
:Quote:
Originally Posted by vintage hunter
:yikes:
I glommed a Smith Corona 03A3 a few years back that was in a Springfield C stock. Sounds like the best part of the deal was the stock
Surplusrifle Forum View topic - Re-Arsenal Smith Corona 03A3
Last year I got a Greek return Remington 1903 in a Keystone C stock. What are Keystone C's going for?
Thanks
have'nt seen one sold lately. i picked up one back in january for 157.00 to tide me over till i can find a springfield. talking about lumpy, bumpy & or humpy stocks, looks like the one i got was whittled out with a draw knife & a hatchet. most keystones i've seen are a bit rough looking compared to a genuine springfield though.
I saw a nice late production Springfield Armory 1903 at a gunshow last weekend. The stock was in real nice shape but the finger grooves didn't look quite right and the boxed D.A.L and script P looked like they were stamped yesterday.
Jarrod
Johnny is right on. Since Remington never used the full pistol grip M1903A1 ("C") stock on the A3 by definition it would not have the inspection and acceptance stamps that were only applied to completed rifles at the factory. Also look like someone used a very hammer on those stamps!!:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Peppers
Regards,
Jim
And to be honest!!!
I could tell from the eBay listing that their was a 95% chance it was a fake, but it fits my needs for a Franken gun I am building. (Even though I could have faked this better and cheaper, I am too lazy for that for a Franken gun)
If it had been the real deal I would have dropped what ever it took to get it, (for another project).
The stock looks to be new with old hand guard, and its quite nice looking, for my needs.
My Franken gun is the gun that I think Remington should have built, and the one I want as my custom 03A3.
It will have a drilled and tapped receiver, & a fancy scope and a milled trigger guard, early rings etc. In other words it will be my fancy customized shooter. It will never be sold as the real deal, and I am thinking of stamping the stock inside with a 2010 build date to make sure.
I have several other 03s, that are the real deal, and I continue to build based on whatever I can procure. I guess that means I am more of a shooter enthusiast rather than a collector. I would rather buy parts and build my on most of the time rather than buy that perfect specimen. That's the hobby gunsmith in me.
But on a final note, a most interesting thread! I know I have found a home here, if you guys can be tolerant of us quasi collectors. :)
Cheers
Tom
Tom,
Nice to meet ya!
We have some real good guys here at this forum... but I can tell you, they are mostly collectors. :)
I do a bit of "gunbuilding" on the side, on other forums... this one, I try to keep "straight laced".... so as not to upset my Pals!
I look forward to your input! Welcome aboard!:madsmile:
Yeah, Tom, stick around! Your stock might of hurt the wallet a little, but you'll live, and learn. We all do.
I've put together some '03's for fun. It's cheaper than buying the pristine collectibles.
Please do show us the rifle when you get finished with it!
I've found this forum to be extremely tolerant of most anything compared to a few others I've visited. Some of those were downright nasty and I had no interest in either posting anything or sticking around. One of them was very beligerent and if you even made mention of altering a gun in any manner, even restoring a sporterized rifle, you were committing some kind of crime. They immediately banned any poster that did so. I was amazed.
I'm a "quasi" collector too because I have no real money to put into the hobby. I buy guns I can afford and this means they usually look pretty bad and I take a lot of enjoyment into cleaning them up and making them look good again.
To really join in, I will soon post some interesting 03 threads that will stir some real interest.
I have been collecting a number weird parts!!!
And I have been collecting 03 parts for years, so when I say weird or strange they are.
Stay tuned for new threads...;)
Cheers
Tom