Walmart decided to give up on building a superstore on part of the Wlderness battlefield.
Stop the Wilderness Walmart
I posted on the other list too. CWT is a decent organization, I send them a little $ once in a while
jn
Walmart decided to give up on building a superstore on part of the Wlderness battlefield.
Stop the Wilderness Walmart
I posted on the other list too. CWT is a decent organization, I send them a little $ once in a while
jn
It really is hard to believe what extent Mal-Wart will go to when they want a piece of land. I remember a few years ago they wanted to expand a store somewhere in the Eastern US and wanted the original house of a US President moved so they could do the expansion. They just don't get it.
Mal-Wart is one store I do my VERY BEST to avoid spending a single dollar at and I really wish more people would stop shopping there!
I like Walmart cause they still sell ammo guns and cater to hunters. No one is perfect but they didn't fold to liberal pressure like k-mart. As long as the people that want to take our freedom and guns hate Walmart I will always support the big W.
What's that they say about our enemies enemy being our friend? I do applaud Walmart for being hunter/shooter friendly. My biggest complaint is trying to find something not made in China but that's the way it is everywhere. I'll pay 50% more for a US made product over an import but even then you don't always have a US alternative.
Well everyone wants cheaper goods me included and we have destroyed our manufacturing base with such wishes. The real problem with Mal-Wart is they want everyone else out of business, they want it ALL and that my friends is very scary.
Think of all the small locations that have seen their business district devistated by a Mal-Wart building on the outskirts of town.
Search and find the interview with the gentleman that owns 'Snapper" lawn mowers, great story and a great man who wouldn't allow the price and quality of his mowers ground into the dirt by Mal-Wart. That man is a true American.
Think of the statistics of how much it costs the state in regard to Mal-Wart employees, lower paid workers with no financial ability of finding health insurance they can afford.
Believe me all of us are paying a big price for the "privledge" of shopping at Mal-Wart.
Since Mal-Wart came to Canada I have only bought three things from them and all out of necessity, a can of shaving cream, 4L of bleach and 4L of sythetic oil as no one else had the oil that I needed. Hopefully I will buy less in the remaing years of my life. I now purchase the synthetic oil long before I need it thus won't get caught in that dilemma again.
PS.
IF you are a prudent shopper you will find Mal-Wart is not cheap on MANY MANY items. Mal-Wart has convinced the public they are cheap on everythying, NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH.
I look forward to Target in Canada as they will really put a dent into Mal-Wart. Target generally has better quality products at very competitive prices.
Guys,
I wasn't really interested in doing a WalMart: good or evil? thread ..... This particular case was interesting because it took a lot of work by a big non-profit to stop WalMart from taking it's next bite out of what should be sacred ground. If they chose that spot, it was because their site selection people told them it was the best available place for their store.
I guss they gave it up after it caused so much controversy. WalMart generally is slow to react .....
Anyway, I can remember when WalMart bragged that it sold "made in USA" whenever possible. That was a while ago. I buy my gun-and-hunting-related stuff from locally-owned shops. Or sometimes off the internet (30-40 brass for instance). I could care less if Wally World sells guns and ammo, I don't enjoy shopping there.
So I can see how easy it is to see red and hijack the thread when you hear (read) the word "WalMart"
jn
jon, a sincere apology for hi-jacking your original post.
Yes I am very Anti Mal-Wart as I believe they have cost hard working Americans tens of thousands of jobs with their never ending drive for lower and lower costs.
We all need affordable pricing but not at the expense of our countrymen loosing their jobs.
Like here in Canada you Americans are desperate for employment and low paying Mal-Wart jobs do not provide enough income for families to live at a decent standard of living.
I never condemn anyone for shopping at Mal-Wart as if you are a wise shopper you can save money on some items they sell. My point is to always try to inform everyone that there are two sides to low prices and the real downside is the loss of jobs to foreign countries.
Again sorry for the hi-jack.
Very few places in the world do I get that deep feeling of reverence, those being churches, the Lincoln Memorial, and Civil War battlefields. This is a very good and appropriate thing and I am glad you posted the news.
Outfits like Walmart, Microsoft and others compete and win in the market place, and winning is not always fair, nor are they all bad. To stay on topic, I am always glad when people in a just cause can teach corporate or government agencies about genuine morality, justice, reverence and respect for something bigger than them.
guys,
all it takes is peaople care a little. The big corporations do what they gotta do, we do what we gotta do. And if we don't, well it's all on us. Organize!
jn
Don't get me wrong, I am glad wm came to their senses and the Battlefield issue is important to me as well. My family shops at walmart, target, publix, winn dixie, 3 gun shops, 3 auto stores(advance,autozone and napa), books a million and barnes and noble not to mention amazon(i guess i mentioned it) I could go on and on and I'm leaving out sears,jc penny and my wife's dozen+ womens stores(i shutter at the thought). I guess we spread the wealth out but no one has to tell me to do that. I wish wm had more USA made stuff that's for sure. I hope we as a nation come to our senses and start bring more jobs back to our country(not to be isolationist) but we once had a great manufacturing sector and i would like it back. It's so hard to buy from your own country for example ford, jeep x 3 and harley davidson that i own/ owned are USA but the steels from? the electrical? the engine components? the fabric? on and on..........I do my best.
One interesting thing is with the high cost of transportation (within China and on the water to North America) it is going to be easier to compete on many items. I work for a company that sells products from China and with container costs going thru the roof we are now able to purchase some products here in Canada as cheap if not cheaper than from China. Transportation costs are going thru the roof due to the overpricing of oil (you will NEVER convince me oil is worth what it is selling for now) and those costs are just going to go up.
Nothing is worth what it's selling for today.
Isn't that the truth!Quote:
Originally Posted by vintage hunter
I have no problem with Walmart. We did not lose our production jobs to China. Our jobs went to computerized machines. In which China and germany lead the world. Our profiteers buy cheap and sell high.They care only about money.Sounds normal to me. Gary
Bull buscuits. If American factories simply downsized their labor force by going to computerised/automated machinery why do their products have ''Made in China'' boldly displayed on them????
The computerized machines are in Germany and China doing the production. garyQuote:
Originally Posted by vintage hunter
Hate to break your heart but have been to Hong Kong and China buying product and the way money is saved is with cheap labour NOT computerized machines. I have seen it with my own eyes and really know why things are cheaper from China. One day China will become expensive like every country that has a population that demands more in wages, benefits abd standard of living.Quote:
Originally Posted by arado
China has a major problem right now due to their stupidity in allowing only one child per family. This law is now catching up with them as there are not enough workers and a lack of females to marry and have a child. Give the situation another 10 years and it will be a disaster.
Labor costs are rising in China and will outstrip productivity in a few years. Unions (communist) are now in China and these people want a better standard of living so costs have to rise.
All the factories I bought from were clean, neat and with workers who had very good working conditions otherwise I wouldn't even consider purchasing from them.
Yes computerized machinery is used to make moulds etc but it is hands on labour that make the product you buy. If you think you can make a product with a computerized machine with a cost of 10 cents please reconsider.
You have not been to a submarine, car, aircraft or motorcycle factory. All of which China out produces every nation. Automated production. garyQuote:
Originally Posted by enfield303t
I think Walmart saw what the people wanted, so they moved on, nothing wrong with that.
As far as all the other comments about buy "made in USA" and why so many US job's have left this country, That's easy.....it's the union's, and it's going to stay this way untill these parasite's are gone. JMHO.
Realistically the Chinese don't make submarines or aircraft for America or any of its allies.Quote:
Originally Posted by arado
Walmart hasn't been in the military business that I know of. Jobs lost in the world to China are in clothing, household smallwares,electronics and the list is endless.
They may make a good car somday but I am not going to hold my breath. The reliable cars in China are things like Buick etc, and saw very few cars like their home grown Cherry... a bit of a piece of junk.
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Well unions have been problems all over the world but have done lots of good for lots of people. It was a union that overthrew the gov't in Poland, yes ship builders. Have been to where the UNION started solidarity in Gdansk and give them (union) full credit for the collapse of a commie gov't.Quote:
Originally Posted by lboos
Personally have never worked in a union but have worked in management where they existed and never had a problem, they are far from perfect but without them I do believe big business would have everyone they could working for starvation wages. Without unions in the USA many could not afford your health care system or would not qaulify.
Unions are not all bad just as employers are not all bad.
I assume you mean labor unions? What do they have to do with our jobs going overseas?
Yes i mean labor unions, They were needed back in the 20s and 30s, but today they are like buggy whip's, they are no longer of any use, this country has many labor law's that protect the workers, the unions feel that some one with little training that work's on an assy. line putting hub caps on a car should make outrageous wages and his hosp. insur. be paid by his employer and that the members will have a job for life or they will grab up their little sign's saying honk if you like unions "were on strike." they have run the price of making anything so high that co's have to go out of this country to stay in busness. the union member's never step back and take a look at the nice home they live or the two or three cars setting in the drive way... that's auto. suposed to be there "because they belong to the union", and they pay their due's....I have nothing agenst the hard working people of this country, it's the due's hungry labor unions that's got this country were it is today.
Just a few mo's ago the teacher's union got their underware in a wad because their health insur. co. was not going to pay for their viagra any more.
I would love to go on, but i've taking up enough space, i think you get the idea.
Please buy American, if their's anything made here anymore. JMHO.
Believe it or not, I bet there are more Canadian/American made Goods at Walmarts across Canada then in Canadian Tire stores.
Walmart, although they stock many cheap brands that are imported from China, they also sell a lot of domestic goods right beside the imported brands.
From Furniture, to Dishes, to Sporting Goods, there are domestic goods at Walmart. I bought my plates, some cookware and cups from Walmart that were domestic (Canadian or American) production, had to go elsewhere for the fork/knife/spoon set, but I did buy made in Spain knives from Walmart too.
As for appliances, go to Sears, they stock a LARGE assortment of any appliance you want in either a made in USA or made in Canada variety, not including their "Assembled in" Canada or the US appliances either.
Believe it or not, there are a ton of loop holes.Quote:
Originally Posted by enfield303t
- If your first is a girl your allowed to have a 2nd child on the condition it is born no sooner then 3 years later.
- If you are a single child, and your spouse is also a single child, your allowed 2 children.
- If your a disabled serviceman, then your allowed 2 children.
- If your child is severely disabled, or dies, your allowed another child.
- If your a ethinic minority (ie non-Han or approx 8% of their population) your allowed 2 kids in urban areas, and up to 4 kids in rural areas.
- If your Han and living in a rural area your allowed 2 Children.
- etc.
If you can afford it you can pay a social maintenance fee to have another kid if none of the loop holes allow. Which is approximately equal to the average disposable income of the region your in, of the year your child was born. Anywhere from 450$ to 1000$ (CAD) for 2005, depending if rural or urban dweller.
The Chinese children per family rate therefor is actually right now at approximately 1.8.
Dimitri
Wonder what happens when an ''accidental'' child comes along and it exceeds the families allowable limit and no loophole covers it? I've heard rumors but find them hard to believe.
You pay a fine if no loop hole covers it. And there is no jail time for it either.
If you don't pay the fine you might face a lack of promotions/raises or bonuses. But they back charge the fee anyways, so say you didn't take the child to a hospital or to a school, you have a few years till you need to send them to school to save up the money before you get into trouble.
And the fine is based on average disposable income of the region you live in based on the year the child was born. So if the average person in your area makes say 3,000$ a year, and the cost of living in that region is 2,000$ a year, the max fine for that area will be 1,000$ for that child.
Dimitri
Strange I was in a city of MILLIONS and everyone I inquired about (every worker, employee, waitress, waiter et all) or talked to only had one child....the reality is they are short of workers and the loop holes may exist on paper but not in reality for the great majority of Chinese.
A large number of the men were single.
The Chinese birth rate is actually 1.21% and has been under 1.4% for many years and I will stick to my statement that they are running out of people to work and the birth rate is in more trouble from the lack of females.
A society can not sustain its existance with a birth rate of 1.21% (the minimum requirement if 2.11%) the most optomistic figures put the birth rate at 1.4% however no one thinks those figures are correct. The one child family and sex-specific abortions are going to eliminate millions of Chinese men from ever having a wife which just exacerbates the problem. Without a birth rate of 2.11% the balance needs to be made up by immigration and we all know that mainland China is not really into immigration.
In 2005 there were 119 males born for every 100 females, and in some areas the rate was 130 to 100 females. Do the math, it is not working and it is going to be a bigger disaster in another 32 years.
They started the policy in 1979 and after 32 years it is a major problem and what they publish as to how many children you are allowed and what is reality in China are two different things. The Gov't wants to appear to be more "family friendly" but it is all a smoke screen.
In regard to the cost of having two children, well how about the latest story that was published in the last couple of weeks...second child, female...fine 232,400.00 CNY.... $35,000.00 Canadian.
IN THIS country the farmers had large families to do the work. Now they have a GPS guided John Deere. Go to the Corn Belt and watch. gary
Don't have to go that far, there's thousands of them right here in S.C.
And for many Chinese, having more then one kid since pre-one child policy was considered too much. The brithrate in the early 1970's was lower then it is today in China, due to the fact that for many people, having a child was considered a burden.Quote:
Originally Posted by enfield303t
Funny thing is, for many people in Canada and the US, like other developed countries, people think having kids is too much of a burden so they stopped having them. We just labelled them as "career" people, but the fact remains.
A society's self sustainability depends on many factors, not just brith rate. Take Canada for example, not only do we have a LOWER brith rate then China, we also have a higher death rate. In the end, only immegration helps us keep up alittle. And not by much considering.Quote:
Originally Posted by enfield303t
The Chinese population increases by 0.494% a year, (including all factors), or 6.57 million people a year, where as the Canadian population is at 0.804% or a mere 270 thousand people.
I would like to see that high number from somewhere factual, CIA WFB lists:Quote:
Originally Posted by enfield303t
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- at birth: 1.14 male(s)/female
- under 15 years: 1.17 male(s)/female
- 15-64 years: 1.06 male(s)/female
- 65 years and over: 0.93 male(s)/female
- total population: 1.06 male(s)/female (2010 est.)
The girlfriend/fiance, comes from a family of 5 childern (born in China), and her older siblings already have multipul kids each. So I really don't know what kind of smoke screen your talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by enfield303t
I'd love to see that in writting, however my bet is that that was more about the curruption of fines for multipul kids then anything. Then again there are Chinese making 60+ thousand USD a year in China, so a 35,000$ fine for some may be appropriate. Too many variables without factual numbers and reasons for why that happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by enfield303t
Dimitri
Dmitri..all the numbers I quoted were found by searching the internet. Regardless of what anyone thinks the problem is the Chinese Gov't telling you how many children you are allowed to have. It is wrong and nothing they can say or do will every make it right.
People need to be able to determine how large their family will be, not the gov't and that is the problem of living in China when the Gov't goes so far as to control everything you do.
The story of the fine was on the internet in a news story a week or so ago. Regardless whether the fine was due to corruption or not the bottom line is it was still imposed.
I guess if China is such a wonderful place to live why was there such a migration of citizens from Hong Kong to Canada in the years before China took over, I am guessing it was because they all knew what a bunch of BS was imposed on the population in mainland China and were scared spitless it would happen in HK.
Heck my son's friends from university (Mainland Chinese studying here) told me the Gov't even lies to the world what the total population actually is. These two young men were from very privledged families with buckets of money with well connected parents, they were in the position of knowledge that most do not have.
There are some large families, unfortunately the birth rate of 1.21% proves there are very few large families nowadays.
Wow! I thought we were talking about Walmart and the second battle of Wilderness :confused:, ...Now it look's like "all you ever wanted to know about birth control" in China :slap:.
So, anyway, I'm glad that WalMart reconsidered building their store on the battlefield. On to the next endangered battlefield!
jn
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PS,
all that stuff about China is pretty interesting. Russia is facing the same issue, plus TB and AIDS. All we gotta do is keep making babies!
jn
We haven't even mentioned the aliens. You know the ones that live among us you know the ones that are from out there.....I have to go I'm being watched....help..aahhhhh.....
Dave,
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't really watching you.... :lol:
As Jon said, we won the battle of Walmart and all is good on that front.....
There are more pressing current issues at hand. I'm actually backing Green Bay today....
(What's the world come to?) :help:
~ Harlan
I also backed Green Bay today and had to set-up a trade show and missed much of it however am more than happy they won. Maybe me not watching all of it brought them good luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by cafdfw
Being a Canadian I really enjoy our football however I have been a Green Bay Packers fan as long as I can remember and being old that is a long time.
In the Canadian Football Leagure I am a dedicated Saskatchewan Roughriders fan a team I am sure most other than Canadians have no idea who they are. Don't live is Sask. now but once a Roughrider fan always a Roughrider fan.
I'm back.........they just dropped me off. Did I mention I was born in Roswell New Mexico. Dad USAF, and I don't look anything like my brother??????? I could have gone either way but thought it was Green Bays turn. Tampa Bay Next Year!!