Hypothetical New Garands

Hypothetically speaking. Is it possible to find new never been issued Garands in 2 cases in original cosmoline. Don't know how many or if they exist, but friend said a friend(neighbor he saw daily)of his had some, but that neighbor recently passed away. I know nothing about them though plans were being made to clean them and sell them. I was told they were brand new but he did not know anything about dates or even make. I told him,(hypothetically)that he needs to get on it but was told it's too early still. This friend knows what a M1 Garand is since I sold his fathers for him in 2008(at that time he did not know but I educated him on Garands)Even though I was only learning myself. I guess time will tell,but my luck has been good lately, though it sounds to good to be true.

yes, Some time back the CMP had some new in the wrap garands - not cosmoline but foil & paper bags w/desiccant

Anything is possible I suppose. They are few and very, very far between though. Hum, is the $50K offer still out there for a new, in the crate WWII jeep???

Yes, CMP did bring back many new, unissued Garands. They are around.

In the summer of 07 I saw a new SA/ NFR that had come out of the CMP some time before - not a mark on it - quite a gem

If I recall correctly CMP found 176 of them in 2010 :D

I saw them while at the South Store a few months back. I would actually prefer the Correct or Collector grades to the unissued. They looked VERY VERY Dry ( The stocks). I cant imagine it a good thing for the stocks to have had NO attention, over 50 plus years, to be a good thing.

My guess would be they are not new since they are in cosmo.I f they were new I would think they would be wrapped with no cosmo and the cosmo ones would be rearsenaled ones.Just a guess on my part,I could be wrong.If your buddy decides to buy one I would check it out very closely first

yes the presence of heavy cosmoline seems to indicate rebuilds. But if they can be had for much reduced price and i'm not picky when it comes to surplus garands. as long as they are below surplus prices. If we find a gem or two then tat much the better.

I was a volunteer at the CMP about 5-6 years ago and was involved with uncrating and serializing some of the Garands returned from Greece. In some crates there were rifles still in the wrap just as they left the factory. I'd count those as "new, never issued".

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Originally Posted by DaveN

yes the presence of heavy cosmoline seems to indicate rebuilds. But if they can be had for much reduced price and i'm not picky when it comes to surplus garands. as long as they are below surplus prices. If we find a gem or two then tat much the better.

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During WWII, apparently new M1s were dipped in cosmoline before shipping. This cosmoline was NOT the heavy grease used after later rebuilds, or used on the M1s returned from Greece. The WWII cosmoline was a very dark brown color and was quite sticky. GIs cleaned it off with gasoline, but that was a nasty job.

If the rifles you refer to are covered in real, honest WWII cosmoline, they are likely to be worth more uncleaned than cleaned.

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Originally Posted by Mark in Rochester

yes, Some time back the CMP had some new in the wrap garands - not cosmoline but foil & paper bags w/desiccant

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Yep, they were brand new in sealed bags with not a mark on them. Stocks were a little dry, but OK. Even some of the greased ones looked to be new with not a track on the receiver, bolt or op rod.

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My first concern was if they were obtained legally. I will if given the chance get all the ser# and give them the best look to judge condition age ect... Whether they are new or rebuilds.
just waiting to see for now.

The service grade specials I got have new(no wear marks anywhere)metal, with mws' of zero. CMP wood, which I replaced with mint usgi wood. That's new as far as I'm concerned.

One of my favorite stories (that I have told often) concerns a crate of 10 new IHCs. When IHC vacated the plant, they left one guy behind as caretaker until Whirlpool took occupancy. After about a week, a crate arrived -- 10 new rifles that had been sent to SA for parts interchange testing and just returned. The guy didn't know what to do with them, the contract was over, the machinery removed, all rifles and parts delivered. So he loaded the crate into the trunk of his car, waited until dark, and drove them down to the river and dumped them in the water. Ouch! Anybody got Scuba gear handy?
I interviewed him in about 1980 and he really regretted it, but said that Ordnance had scared everybody to death about theft of government property, so he never even considered keeping them at the time.

M-1 Garand SA Unissued SN- 5834132 Auction

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This is an SA garand that CMP believes to be new and still in original condition. The barrel is dated SA 3-55 and the muzzle gauges 1 with a throat erosion of 1+. The rifle is pristine. A data sheet is not prepared, but we will prepare one before shipping if requested by the auction winner. See Photos.

I think this is the first auction of the new guns found at the GCA convention last year. There were over 200 late SA and HRA rifles that looked like this, enough to make you weep.

I received some CMP M1's in new condition but with CMP birch stocks. As mentioned in this thread, could these have been those that the stocks were to dry to be of use, though the parts and metal are great.https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...3/M1s092-1.jpghttps://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...3/M1s085-1.jpghttps://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...3/M1s086-1.jpghttps://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...3/M1s091-1.jpg

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Originally Posted by bob seijas

I think this is the first auction of the new guns found at the GCA convention last year. There were over 200 late SA and HRA rifles that looked like this, enough to make you weep.

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Yep..........I didn't cry, but the elastic in my shorts melted. Haven't been stable since.:D


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Originally Posted by JohnF

I think this is the first auction of the new guns found at the GCA convention last year. There were over 200 late SA and HRA rifles that looked like this, enough to make you weep.
Yep..........I didn't cry, but the elastic in my shorts melted. Haven't been stable since.

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Yup. Not blaming Orest or the CMP for my lack of stability but this is definitely a potential trigger for a weakening of the knees ... (oh, look, a pun to boot).

I musta handled 20 of those to walk them up front - one in each hand - gorgeous, just gorgeous.

Hats off again to the CMP for that - what a great time we had.

So if you were there my question is why would I get service grade SA's from CMP some with nice original cartouched stocks(service grade condition) and some with new CMP birch? what would the reason be? 1. they were ruined? 2. they had nice original WWII stocks? 3. There were some sent from Greece without stocks at all? 4. Anyone elses guess goes here.

As far as the SG Specials are concerned, we were told many of them were returned with no wood at all. As far as regular SGs' go, my guess is the wood was really bad, or missing as well. But that guess doesn't quite make sense to me. There has to be something else going on, and I have no idea what. I know they're still busy sorting rifles they have in crates. Good questions.

Charlie

Thanks Charlie. When I received some SGs with new stocks I began to fill in spec instructions for USGI wood only and that took care of the problem. I would rather have a stock with history and all the scratches and dings(though SGs are still nice just not perfect) than a brand new stock. But the two rifles in the pics are still very nice.