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Bought an M1 parts kit at the last funshow. Was horrified to see it was a Danish Breda FKF rifle - one type I would love to own. The seller claimed it was an old kit; which I believed since it had an intact original barrel. The receiver was reduced to a sorry paper weight.
Anyone know how many of these were made?
Why are these and other Breda/Berretta M1s not being imported?
Out of Canada 10 (?) years ago. Formerly very common, usually found with nice VAR barels and now all gone. Receivers are still around in Canada.
If someone has a receiver, and needs a barrel - let me know.
No info on how large the Danish contract was with Breda? Guessing it was 10k or 20k. Never seen a pic of one with a sn# over 10k.
By memory_ OK? Something like 20,000 receivers were for sale in Canada. LONG story. Not sure if all or part were Breda/PB Garands. Century Int'l parted them out and had the spare receivers for sale. I want to say less then $40.00 each. Sold to someone who tried to smuggle them into the USA. He went to Federal prison for it. Again, LONG story.
If you still have the barrel let me know
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I have 10085 -- Pic of it will be used in an article on the Danish GV/50 Garands in the Spring 2012 GCA Journal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom-M
Another great reason to join the GCA. Keep up the good work Bob!
Yes the tales that are told around the rifle range's burning trash barrels.
When Denmark surplused its war reserve Garands, circa 1995, the US border was closed. Smart guys calculated the capacity of the Canadian market at $150 ea and saw a way to recover some of their investment by selling Garand parts into the US. The USGI receivers had to stay in Canada, but the wood and metal bits went south. Now Garands are over a grand in Canada, with noteworthy examples 10x the retail price.
In 2000, the antis in Canada got wind of an EXPORT paperwork problem (not a gun control problem) and turned it into a major public safety story. There was no illegality in Canada, and the parts etc were returned to their owners. The Americans however had some explaining to do ....
1,700 Rifles Seized by U.S and Canada - TheFiringLine Forums
Interesting. I bought my first Garand in '92, right after I got out of school. For years I assumed it was a Korean return, WELL used in a beech stock. 15 years later (and 8 CMP Garands) I took it apart to turn into a Numrich 308 Tanker, and it had an anchor on the sight cover spring. Near as I can tell, it was Danish surplus, also had a BMB bolt.
Chopped up receivers make my stomach hurt.
Regards,
Brian in CA
hi shot in the dark but I need a barrel for a bren garand reciever I just bought, im planning attampting a rebuild from parts got anything else that might help me get on my way?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom-M
They produced closed to 11,,000 Bredas and 11,000 Pietro Beretta's. I have had someone try and tell me they allotted certain numbers to each totally only 10,000 but I have seen both manufactures made in all serial ranges and have a bunch of stocks plus had many more that showed this also. Rick B
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Here is one of the 1st contracts in the 11,000 range plus a few more oddities. Rick B
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Those of us who live in the US still suffer from the Clinton/Gore administration. By executive order, ATF was told that US-made milsurp firearms (& copies) were not "sporting arms", & therefore not importable. This includes parts kits, as well as complete firearms. Every administration since then has also been anti-gun, hence no change.
Many small businesses involved in the sale of M1 rifle & M1 carbine parts, as well as repair & rebuilding, went out of business as repair parts were no longer obtainable.
Neal
A very large quantity of Garands of all denominations were sent to Indonesia when Indonesia bought the package for the BM-59.
The weird thing is that the entire original BM-59 production was set up around converting existing M-1 parts, including the receiver; i.e. start with a finished (heat-treated) M-1 receiver and then cut away the bits that don't look like a BM-59.
Eventually, over the course of production, "original" M-1 parts started to dry up and it was a toss-up whether to make new "Garand" parts and then modify them to BM-59 spec, or tool up, almost from scratch, to make new "modified" parts.
I forget where these are from and one may be Bob Seijas's ??? One is Indonesian and the other is Yemin Rick B
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5547876 bearing the stylized "Garuda" logo is Indonesian. Does anyone have a picture of the crest, etc. on the Nigerian versions?
The basic model of the Indonesian BM-59 is known as the SP-1, which looks like a stock, early BM-59.
There were several variants:
SP-2: Similar, but has a different "muzzle-device"/grenade launcher, ("tri-compensator" in the Beretta factory "glossy"), complete with flip-up sight. Also fitted with a fold-down winter trigger, a la SIG and Beretta.
SP-3: A sort-of "Light Support Weapon" concept: Take the SP-2 and add a heavier barrel, carrying handle, moulded plastic Beretta-style pistol-grip, bipod and folding "shoulder-strap" on the buttplate.
And then there are the bayonets! Two different-length blades and two different-length handles.
Additional trivia:
There is some disagreement as to whether the "bird" depicted is a "Garuda" or a "Sang Radja Walik".
Any ideas?
Yes, the Indonesian is mine, the Yemeni is John Bondurant's. I used them in a GCA article a number of years ago. The Indo is full size 30-06 and M1 all the way.
Some interesting guns here. Beretta and Breda made guns for more than just the Danish contracts, but obviously due to CMP and CAI in Montreal (now defunct), we most commonly see the Danish receivers. Here in Canada, they are far and away more common at present than USGI receivers and many are bought as the basis for a nice build.
Here's my Breda, BMB stamped on the leg, so presumably Breda supplied receivers to PB at some point.
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