Enforcer #189 for sale at collectors source.
Enfield Enforcer Rifle, scope, bipod, NR3725 - Rifles
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Enforcer #189 for sale at collectors source.
Enfield Enforcer Rifle, scope, bipod, NR3725 - Rifles
From the previous threads on Enforcers I'd be a bit wary of buying one unless I knew a bit more about those shadowy 'clones', 'phoenix's', what the poms call 'ringers' and the 'charnwood specials'. Just my thoughts.............................
I understand what you mean, Peter. I went through a ton of hoops to finally confirm that my Enforcer was original. With some of the incongruencies turning up regarding destroyed rifles turning up again, I'm not sure I'd want to go through that again and pay a premium for an original.
Hmmm - shouldn't 189 have the 'oval' receiver engraving?
No 189 is a correct Enfield assembled Enforcer and was issued to Scottish Police 10th December 1974.
Good question re the oval as numbers before it (134, 141 etc) have the Oval and numbers after it (208) has the oval.
Another 'question' about the enigmatic Enforcer, or, is it a 'put together' ?
Questions, Questions.
Looks like it must have sold as it's not listed anymore. Anyone here pick it up?
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Originally Posted by Alan de Enfield
Enforcers 180, 196, 199 according to my records also have milled out ovoid with engraving.
I've lost my old list, but I had the impression that the "ovoid" lasted until about #230.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valleysniper
I originally thought it was "mid 200's" but 395 has the milled oval, whilst 414 doesnt so it looks as if the change was nearer 400.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunderbox
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...tation11-1.jpg
I have 332 - and have a couple of others +/- a few numbers in the low 300s - and they were all standard "flat side" rifles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan de Enfield
I know that there is a justification for the "double ovoid" rifles, but I personally would not touch one with a barge pole... still find it hard to accept that Enfield would make such a crude lash-up in milling out "old Envoy marks".
E.g. Here is some food for thought: the rifle immediately before your 395:
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...95210867-1.jpg
To my untrained eye, it looks to me as if the end mill has been used to remove previous markings of some sort. I know I'm probably wrong and it's just my suspicious mind working overtime but we used to something identical with out No2 Brownings and L9 pistols. Replacement slides and barrels would come from Ordnance as P/W or Part Worn. We'd mill out the small recess and over engrave the 2T1234 or BL68A1234 to give the P/W slide and barrel a new lease of life.
Anyone got a part worn or milled out Browning slide and/or barrel to show what I mean?
The Enforcers are getting more mysterious every day..................................
Looks like it sold very quickly.Actually not a bad price.I paid more than that for mine 5 years ago!
I remenber when collectors source had some for sale about 18 years ago for $795.00!
One thing that stands out to me is the two different backing plates on Alan,s and TB,s AJ Parker sight and TB,s looks like there is a faint outline where another one may of been?
On a Engineering point of view, if I was to go to the trouble of using an end mill to remove previous marks etc I would choose the correct one so to remove the marks with one pass, the photo shows it has had two passes with a cutter due to the incorrect size of mill being used.
That tells me that only one size of mill was available at the time, and I very much doubt Enfield had only one end mill ? I would of thought they would of removed the previous marks with one straight pass, with an end mill or a horizontal miller, or grinder.
Superbee mentions a price 18 years ago, I would feel a lot safer or not as suspicious as I would now buying something like an Enforcer, due to the fact not many of us had a PC back then so the information required for the not so honest was not available.
Thanks Thunderbox - Its not my rifle, its just one of the pictures and part of the information I have accrued towards (hopefully one day) the booklet I hope to produce.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunderbox
This is why I've been doing the FOI requests, tracking down the named people who received them etc etc.
One of the Enforcers was sent to ERDE (Explosives Research & Development Establishment) in Waltham Abbey - later renamed Royal Armamant Research & Developement Establishment (RARDE) I have been fortunate to find the now very elderly gentleman who it was issued to to undertake experiments.
Inspector T Bxxxxxxx was the officer receiving the Enforcers in the Devon & Cornwall Police.
I know the name of the Assembly shop foreman at Enfield (Mr J. Kxxxxxx) but cannot trace him - he was responsible for scrapping 9 (nine) Enforcers which failed testing.
Its a frustrating project with many twists and turns but one I feel should be done before we lose all / any of the knowledge we still retain.
How can there be so much mystery around a rifle where so few were produced, and realatively, so recently
It is odd, given the neat job that was done with the "ovoid" rifles:Quote:
Originally Posted by bigduke6
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...34777738-1.jpg
Not all Enforcers were supplied with a scope - they would all have the scope mounts 'as standard' but depending on the 'cash left in the budget' they could be purchased with or without the Pecar scope, with or without a bipod, etc, etc. As funds allowed the local Police Force would buy the scope, bipod etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigduke6
Talking with a 'scope repair' expert who was contracted to many of the Police Forces this resulted in some 'odd' (non-Pecar) scopes being used
385 looks to have an AJP4/47 sight fitted whilst TB's 384 has the correct PH5E/4
That's an interesting project AdeE. I'll ask the person here who was on the HO standing committee on the Police sharpshooter rifle if he'd be prepared to chat to you. Interested in the future?
My very early 300 series is flat sided no oval.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunderbox