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I'm NOT affiliated with this auction!! BUT, has lots of detailed photos if anyone is interested. Also looks like you will need the big bucks if you even think about bidding. Auction # 216573281
Gunbroker Auction - British Enfield No 4 Mk1 T Sniper Rifle England (click here)
Nice clean rifle. The cheek rest is shaped different to the ones normally seen as is the screw ''ears'' on the front band. This is probably trivial but i also noticed the screw slots in the front pad and cradle caps don't line up with the stake marks.
I wonder if the cheek piece was modified for a left hand shooter??
As a lefty, it sure looks to me like that cheek piece is set up so that it wouldn't interfere with my grip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Dick
Yes, it might well have been modded for a lefty. The cheekpiece certainly looks to be an original example though. I think the rifle looks a peach. True, the front pad screw slots don't align with the centre puch marks, but I'm sure the rifle is right enough. The front band is of the fabricated type & I have another couple of rifles that bear such a pattern. I think this was yet another wartime simplification.
One other note is the rare Vickers Mk2/1 scope........clearly manufactured as such & not a conversion of an existing Mk2. I have one fairly close in the serial range (No43 if my memory serves me correctly).
Interestingly the serial has been applied twice to the forend; I think the original being the number running from front to back along the forend. It has been added again standard No4 style, presumably after the event.
A nice piece of kit............but I'd have to change the cheekpiece back!!
ATB
To see how US and UK prices compare, look at
guntrader.co.uk - Enfield, Lee .303 No 4T Sniper Rifle Bolt Action Second Hand Rifle
Almost 3 days left, hasnt hit the reserve yet. Now we will see how much someone with a craving for that rifle might be willing to pony up.
England is pricey and I am wondering if they have to pay the 20% Vat on top of the price or is it included? Or do they pay VAT on used items? I will have to remember if I ever want to sell my T's to market them in England...yeah like I am going to sell them.
What isn't pricey in the UK, everything seems totally out of line whenever I have visited. I really don't know how anyone other than the filthy rich can afford to live in the UK.
I think their gasoline is around a dollar more per gallon than in the US of course it could be more now due to the mideast turmoil. In Britain it is Petrol and sold by the litre???
Is it just me being a newbie or does the S 51 and second ser. no. on the forend look a lot fresher than the rest of the markings? When I started collecting there did'nt seem to be as much interest in what all the markings ment or if they were correct or not so I'm trying to make up for lost time and would appreciate all the help I can get.
Someone else who got fed up with the usual position of the cheekrest on the wrist of the butt.
I find it interesting that there was a recent thread that showed a U.I.C. No.32 Mk.2 S/N 270 that had O.S. 1650.
So did Vickers run separate S/N blocks for each type or were they all in the same run? Until recently, I had no idea there were U.I.C. Mk.2s (versus 2/1s).
This is only my guesstimate from the few UIC scopes I've owned & from the few more I know of others, but I suspect that they started again from the beginning with each new mark. I have seen both high & low serials of both Mk2's & 2/1's (eg one & two digits & others in the several hundreds). Most of the very few Mk1's I've heard of were serialled in the low one hundreds......
Peter, what say you??
ATB
PS. I've edited in this addendum after having seen Peter's comments on another posting from last week on UIC's. (Sorry I was over there again picking up bits of rusty junk (as my wife calls it) on The Somme.....am still catching up with forum matters......!) Thanks for the comments Peter. IIRC I have Mk2 serial no 9, Mk2 over-engraved on Mk1 tube serial no 12X & Mk2/1 serial no 43. I have had in the past a couple of high numbered 2/1's in the several hundreds range.
Alrighty then! Until a matched set of U.I.C.s show up with the same S/N but of both Mk.2 AND Mk.2/1 mfg., we'll just have to ponder what kind of nutty assembly shop(s) they were running...
I would not worry about the front pad screws not being in line, they come loose now and again , mine did and I had to solder it back on and retighten the screws which now don't line up with the punch marks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger Payne
I belive it was a common problem from reading Mr Peter Laidler's books and post's.
It sold for 3800.00. Question why are there 2 serial numbers for the scope on the rifle? The first number 54 is the actual serial number and then 36 below that.
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The 36 is most likely the rack number from a previous unit. Attached is another example.
"England is pricey and I am wondering if they have to pay the 20% Vat on top of the price or is it included? Or do they pay VAT on used items? I will have to remember if I ever want to sell my T's to market them in England...".
In the light of the Gunbroker 4T's sale price of $3,800, perhaps the price of £3,500 for the one in the UK seems less-than-shocking? After all, it includes ".. Wooden Chest No 15 Mk 1; Scope Tin No 8 Mk1; Scout Regiment Telescope; Cleaning kit and Spare Magazine. An original leather sniper sling is present.." No VAT on second-hand items, by the way. Do the sum and you'll see - a transit chest will set you back at least £500, a Scout Regt scope £300, scope tin £200, etc...
However, what worries me about all 4T's is that there are apparently now more of them in circulation than ever went through Holland and Holland. To repeat the old line about Matisse: "He painted 800 pictures, 2,000 of which are now in America".
ON the question of pad screws, I used to tell the Armourers to reverse the usual practice. That is, to stake the corresponding part of the screw head into the slot in the pad. Screws are cheap by the bucketfull and it preserves the life of the pad especially on some of our old and well worn/used L42's that we were using. So if you're about to embark on refitting the screws, please do this to yours