What book should I get on the gas trap Garands? TIA
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What book should I get on the gas trap Garands? TIA
The book by Pyle is good.
Billy Pyle's book is the most complete and with excellent drawings and photos. There are data sheets from gas trap rifles too.
Well, I found one on Amazon for $275.00. I guess I'll not be buying that anytime soon. Who sells a paper back version?
I got mine at the Calgary gun show for $60 Cdn two years ago. I guess I did well.
You can buy all kinds of books for 275.00! (follow the link at the bottom).
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A warning on Pyle's book though, it WILL make you want to buy all kinds of expensive stuff - and you can take it to the bank that contracting the numbered strain of Garanditis is potentially VERY costly ... really cool stuff though.
Scott Duff Publications Historic Martial Arms: M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, M1903, Krag, M1911A1
Next thing you know you will be considering buying a trigger for several hundred dollars - whoa, that's definitely NUTS!!!
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../GTT1002-1.jpg
But oh man, that is gorgeous, ... all in the white like that and not messed up by a repark and with that gorgeous pewter looking finish that is only accomplished thru age, wow ...
So, look out - you have been warned. Buy Billy's book at your own peril!
Or Scott's, or Walt's, or Bruce's, or eventually Wayne's, ... (grin).
Oh yea, ... link;
Early M1 Garand Gas Trap Trigger C46020-2 : Collectible Parts & Accessories at GunBroker.com
Are these revision 2Attachment 21273Attachment 21274 triggers worth anymore with the "hump" on the sear ?
Pretty neat, I'll have to look to see if any of my numbered triggers are like that.
Bodyman is right, this is wayyyy... addictive.
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AMAZON!! :yikes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Hollinger
Dude - seriously!!! :runaway:
Try ABEBOOKS - 6 copies of the Pyle book on there.
1 here in the UK, 1 in Canada, 4 in the USA.
Prices range from $45US to $67US - though if ya feeling generous - take whatever you pay for your copy from ABE off the $275 on Amazon - divide by 50% & send me that value in 6.8 brass :rofl:
Wow! Are those original or restored? Very impressive either way!Quote:
Originally Posted by cgroc09
Jarrod
restorations or at least as close as I can get.
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future projects
Yeah I know. I went back and looked some more and found a number of the hard back collector grade books for less than $60.00. So, I'm buying a book! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by saddler
Very nice little selection there - and THAT must be where all the early parts have been going! (grin)Quote:
Originally Posted by cgroc09
Pyle is dangerous because he will tell you what you need - darned near pry the money out of your wallet ... The cool part is that you can start with just one part - heck, you may already have one on a rifle that you own - flat sight cover with numbers on it, or an early trigger housing, they were all good parts for rebuilds so they ended up everywhere (I got a very nice no pad trigger housing from a beat up Dane return! (pictured below)). Then you can start watching for deals here and there and with a little luck, over time you will all of a sudden have most of the smaller easy parts in one little pile. Here is my gastrap 'kit', and I do lay the blame squarely at Billy Pyle's feet - without his book, I wouldn't have known I needed ANY of this (grin).
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../Mvc001s-1.jpg
Hey, one of yours is 1584 - I have receiver 1591! I was thinking about one of those new gastrap kits - they look really nice and maybe I could actually shoot it! Nowadays, there just always seems to be a different need for the money, ya know ...
Anyway, here is another old favorite early pic back at ya - boy, there is just something about them early numbered ones;
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VERY NICE....... I need that op rod for this one.
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https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...SAM_1722-1.jpg
:madsmile:
Hey Bodyman, pm sent
In case any of you were seriously considering that -2 trigger, you might want to look very closely before you buy. I just noticed on the flip side of that part - if you look closely it is broken where the trigger pin fits thru (usually from some ham-handed assembler somewhere in the past).
Scroll between the two sides and you can see it.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../GTT1001-1.jpg
This is not uncommon and it will still function, but it does affect value - I just felt a little responsible after posting it yesterday.
That being said, it is a gorgeous finish, or lack of finish, that is very hard purist restorers to find nowadays ...
There are more variations to the top marked revision 0 op rod, note the ledge or step under the drawing number.Attachment 21280Attachment 21281
Great selection of receivers! Please tell me about the guide rib -- where do you see
1. sheared rib
2. welded rib
3. intact rib
I'm collecting data for a book. Thanks.
Bob, pm sent
Also look for any "extra wide" rib receivers too, there is a small group that is recording all the data on the extra wide rib receivers - either with the correction or withoutAttachment 21299
Photo of receiver with the extra wide rib and chamber flag
I just looked through your photos and you have an incredible collection cgroc09!Quote:
Originally Posted by cgroc09
Bill, please excuse me for going off topic about Gas trap books, but I thought cpro09 and possibly others might be interested in some books about the U.S. M1 helmet of WWII.
cgroc09, in one of your photos you have a 79th Division medic M1 helmet in your display.
Is your helmet an original WWII M1 painted helmet? There isn't enough detail in the photo to tell very much but it looks good.
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I collected M1 helmets for a while and I've done quite a bit of research on them. I remembered seeing an original example of a 79th Div helmet in one of my books titled 'PAINTED STEEL' -
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Just as a small bit of history, none of the American Medic helmets in WWII were standardized with an official painting and they differed from unit to unit and even to individual.
(No markings on any US helmets in WWII were 'official standard' and they ranged from looking professionally painted with stencils to being crudely applied with a sock)
The U.S. medics first noticed that German medics in north Africa were wearing red cross arm bands, smocks with a cross, and they painted red crosses on their helmets, so they started marking their helmets the same way hoping the German soldiers would honor their medic status. By the time of the Sicily landings many U.S. medics had their M1 helmets painted with a wide variety of red cross markings. From what I've read, the consensus is that in combat many Germans did honor the medic markings.
The U.S. medics in the Pacific Theater also began to paint red crosses on their helmets, but the Japanese didn't honor the markings at all. It became clear that any markings at all on a helmet made them a preferred target by the Japanese so most US soldiers removed or covered up all medic, unit and rank markings from their helmets.
Below are three interesting books covering lots of details about M1 helmets and their history, along with details about collecting them and how to spot reproductions and fakes.
(Like everything else of any value, faked U.S. helmets are a big problem now too) :mad:
cgroc09 -
If your helmet/liner is authentic, or if you have any questions about it please feel free to send me a PM and I can give you some details of what to look for.
~ Harlan
Not a problem Harlan. :ugh: