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Stated this receiver heel isnt annealed..
Is it my eyes, or is this annealed?
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...100_0603-1.jpg
Heres mine to compare
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...99802855-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...99924704-1.jpg
The author initially said it was, but I questioned it during editing because of the last photo. He looked again and said it probably was not. Maybe he was right the first time. Sometimes the camera shows things the eye can't see.
Thankyou for the info Bob. I think many of these receivers between 1.4 and 1.6 were factory annealed.
Andy
I agree, Andy and I also believe most in that range were issued to the USMC.
Maniac? USMC I would love to know..where is that info from?
Andy
My apologies, the ranges are a little narrower but here's some links that gave me the notion:Quote:
Originally Posted by Garandrew
http://www.popernack.com/library/Win...ed%20Rifle.pdf
http://www.scott-duff.com/GuamMono.htm
I have SA 1.5618xx and it's annealed, and according to the Guam Garand monographs that Scott Duff sells, of 26 of 27 of the "Guam Garands" between 1.14 and 1.77 are annealed.
The Guam Garand monographs are a collection of 30 data sheets that Duff compiled from his involvement in the sale of these historic M1's. A wealth of info and from what I can see of the parts contained in them, there wasn't as much of parts swapping during "cleaning parties" going on as some folks might think. The data given is well worth the $ Duff gets for the monographs, IMO.
I saw an article a while back in the GCA Journal that told the story of a Marine and his experience from boot to the Pacific theater, it showed a score sheet from a shooting match at boot camp and he used a 1.56 Garand. I sent an e mail to the editor asking they could find out if the same M1 accompanied him when he shipped out but I never got an answer back.
What chances does my 1471154 have being USMC 50/50, or better?
Hard to say for sure, Andy. Yours is only 6741 digits above a known USMC Garand (1464413), which itself is only 42 digits above Guam Garand 1464371 so it's relatively close. It would be super if the Springfield Research Service website was still posting their serial # lists, or even if the books were still available for purchase. The serial # patterns seem to offer clues to the disposition of rifles that are close to but not listed by SRS.
The earliest "Guam" Garand listed that is part of a serial number "run" was SA 1142472, made in January 1943, not long after the USMC fighting troops started to realize the worth of the semiautomatic Garand over the bolt action M1903. I'd be curious to learn the percentage of Grands issued that weren't in the "Guam" ranges that have annealed heels. It begs the question of whether the USMC specified that any Garand they accepted had to have an annealed heel? The two 6 digit Garands listed weren't, nor was the last, made in Nov. '43 and only 1 of the remaining 27 wasn't annealed.
Duff may have been speculating when he wrote his piece about the Guam Garands back in 1996 but as we've seen in recent issues of the GCA Journal, there have been M1 Garand relcs found in and around Bastogne that also fall in close serial number ranges too so it seems to support his argument for the Guams' relationship to the 3rd Marine Division.
BTW, none of the "Guam" Garands are Winchesters, and I once owned SA # 1472046, it also had an annealed heel.
HTH
Maniac, have you seen my 2.4 Guam Garand look alike?
No, I haven't. The highest serial numbered Garand among those found on Guam was 2.124xxx.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garandrew
I will send pics tonight..its a dead ringer, black paint and all...even Duff mentioned the likeness.
Wow, very interesting, Andy. Have you by chance sent pix of this to Duff to get his thoughts?
I wonder if he has seen others like this or whether he thinks yours is uniquely similar to the Guam Garands?
Weve talked about it,,its not from his SN...
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He commented on the similarity
It could well be that the Guamanian police authorities were left with more than 30 Garands after they and U.S. forces completed the post battle mop-up of Japanese holdouts on Guam and some time in subsequent years. How did the parts composition of your 2.435xxx compare with the Duff's data sheet of 2.466215 listed in his "The M1 Garand: World War II"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Garandrew
Where Guam is a US territory therefore not subject to importation laws it probably wouldn't have been real difficult for an M1 to find it's way back to the States in the period from the end of WWII to the 1990's when the Guamanian authorities decided to divest themselves of their remaining inventory of Garands.
One interesting thing I noticed in comparing data sheets of the certain "Guam" Garands with my 1.5618xx is how frequently the receiver heat lot #'s changed. For example, the gap between the two closest numbers Duff lists in his monographs is 81 digits. Mine falls in between those two and all three have different receiver heat lot #'s.
I managed to get a M1 Garand from CMP and the serial number is 1,38x,xxx. Maybe I was lucky and got either a USMC or Guam Garand.
Rudy, was the 1.3 annealed?
Hows a shot at one of mine , 1448xxx ?
I want to play! Here is one I have. It's 1,554,8XX. It's all original according to duff, and has been in a private collection since the 70's. The receiver on this one was definetly annealed. But I doubt this one ever saw anything but an armory. It's just too nice.
I would love to know if it had a USMC lineage.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...arand011-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...arand015-1.jpg
More proof of annealing in this range
I answered my own quesiton. Nevermind lol
I will have to look in the safe and get back to you as I want to make sure I give you the right answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garandrew
I have checked my M1 and as near as I can determnie it was annealed.Quote:
Originally Posted by RudyN
Im not surprised! :-) a bit earlier than mine though
It was mentioned no Winchesters. I have CMP Win 1304702 March 1943 that is annealed. I'm to lazy to look up when Guam was but just mentioning an annealed receiver, the only one of 16 I have.
Hey, I have a list of USMC Garrands that I have been compiling, about 32 of them. Most of it is Duff's but I also have others anybody interested ?
Please list for me..especially anything close to 1471154, and 2435694
I cant attach my list here for some reason, so email me and send me your private email address and I send you the list ...Louis