Looking for info regarding WWII scopes

Hi Guys,

I am trying to locate a 4X for my rifle. Can someone help me figure out which scope has the most eye relief? I am partial to the Kahles name due to past experience with them.
My rifle was built in 1939, so pre war or thru the 40's is a posibility. Also interested in the brightest optic, best clarity for the time.

The Mignon and H 4x60 look like good posibilities but I need the eye relief and have never handled either.

Scope tube diameter does not matter, although 26mm would be best 26.5 will work too.
Hoping to find one with the #4 German reticle.

Any help is appreciated.

I own a early 1945 made Kahles with a low serial number and it is a great scope with clear lenses and it has a 7x power. Kahles told me that this scope must have been produced in early 45 because they have no records to it. They where bombed out in 45. They estimated the value between $ 700 - 1000.

Must it be a original one or can it be a new made 4x Zeiss rebuild?

Hi Ulrich,

I'd really like to go original equipment if at all possible, it seems the challenge is competing with others for pricey period correct equipment. There are the Jena 4x's on fleabay that off and on had been considered.
I have located two Kahles 4x60s with the #4 reticle but I just want to confirm the eye reilef will be enough to save me getting my eye brow sewed up.

What eye relief does your 7X have?

I have chatted with Andrea at Kahles in Austria regarding their first model variable which at first they knew nothing about and did not believe me until I sent them pics of one. They went to the effort to contact a retired employee who confirmed the model being short lived. Very nice folks to work with.

Where do you find the Zeiss rebuilds?

Hi Noel,

my Kahles has a short eye reflief of 50 to 70mm. Yes the folk at Kahles is very helpful. For the Zeiss rebuild ones i´ll have a look and post it.

For reference if anyone else is interested, a contact I talked to has a Kahles Heliavier 4x32, which may be pre war and the eye relief is 3". I am waiting to hear back from another guy with two 4x60s.

Ulrich, I'd suspect your eye relief being shorter due to the higher magnifacation, but that is speculation and nothing more.
Thansk again for yoru help.

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Originally Posted by Noel

For reference if anyone else is interested, a contact I talked to has a Kahles Heliavier 4x32, which may be pre war and the eye relief is 3". I am waiting to hear back from another guy with two 4x60s.

Ulrich, I'd suspect your eye relief being shorter due to the higher magnifacation, but that is speculation and nothing more.
Thansk again for yoru help.

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Noel, maybe that it is a bit shorter but guess why i have mounted it with this distance to my eye?;)

Noel,

Meopta, the former maker of the ZF39(aka Zielvier) made them as rebuilds. Ask them for the scope.

AJAX 4X90

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...44267112-1.jpg

Very nice.

MJ, its very nice to see it at the top of your Swede!

Thank yu gunnar

4X

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...d51c4946-1.jpg

Which rifle do you have. check the CMP Vintage Sniper Rifle Match rules for 2011. They state which scopes are period correct for which rifles.

MJ1, that Ajack would be lovely.:thup: Other than the $$$$$$ :ugh: That has to be the nicest one I have seen.
RBruce, the rifle is a Swede 98 Mauser [Husqvarna]. While it is not a Milsurp rifle it seems that during those times civvy scopes and military ones were used one in the same. Normally I would not ask but due to their use being overlapped I figured where better to find out than here. Not getting much info anywhere else.

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Noel,

Meopta, the former maker of the ZF39(aka Zielvier) made them as rebuilds. Ask them for the scope.

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Gunner I do not understand Your meaning of Your reply please explain . Best Regards

Single claw, i meant the manufacturer Meopta made also the ZF39 under license during the war. And he made the repros of this scopes after the original blueprints with the transport bag. I didn´t found the repro´s at their website but a dealer named "Frankonia" sold them over here for around 400 Euros or so.

Hope this helps a bit.