Printable View
Since a lot of you guys are Canadian I thought I would bring this over here. Johnny P answered questions about markings, but I still need to know about a possible value. I know enough to guestimate "shooter" value, just not "collector" value.
Pics Questions for Johnny P ............................
Thanks !!
Emri
Can you post the pictures here? I can't access them on the other site.
http://www.jouster.com/forums/attach...0&d=1307194199Quote:
Originally Posted by RangeRover
http://www.jouster.com/forums/attach...1&d=1307194205
http://www.jouster.com/forums/attach...2&d=1307194211
http://www.jouster.com/forums/attach...3&d=1307194217
http://www.jouster.com/forums/attach...4&d=1307194222
http://www.jouster.com/forums/attach...5&d=1307195134
http://www.jouster.com/forums/attach...6&d=1307195140
http://www.jouster.com/forums/attach...7&d=1307195147
Go where? I can't see any pics: Can anyone else?
Patrick
:wave:
The pics were there when I made the posting, but are gone now. I think maybe someone didn't like the place they were hosted from and eliminated them. These are direct upload. Hope they work.
Maybe these will stay up.
It was converted to .45 Colt, yes?
British, then Canadian usage, I reckon.
If you can find any recent completed auction prices on the various gun selling sites it would be the best way to estimate current pricing on a national level.(I don't have an account on any, so can't access the old completed auctions.) My SWAG would be anywhere from US$450-700. I know that's a pretty wide range, but that's what I would expect insome of my favorite stores. Even in a fairly limited geographical area its not uncommon to see such variances. On particular occasions, that range may be even broader. (Being a regular customer also helps keep prices toward the low end!)
Very similar to the one I posted but in much better shape and I now see the extra work that was done on mine and can see that the extractor on mine was changed. many thanks for the pics.
nice looking revolver , thats a keeper , i love the canadian markings , while S&W dont quite get the price of the Colts in general , id think this is a high end purchase
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmoore
Or .45 Auto-Rim/.45 ACP with moonclips ? The Auto-Rim/ACP conversions were done for the civilian market, i.e. post-service.
I cannot say what values are where you live, but a conversion generally spoils collector value. What you have appears to be a very nice example, with honest wear on the bluing were one would expect it. For me, that would be a keeper to enjoy shooting with easily available ammo/reloading components. While, of course, looking out for a .455!
Patrick
:wave:
On the Jouster forum thread Emri states that it's .45 Colt, not .45 ACP. Depending on how the conversion was done, it may still be possible to shoot .455 ammo. (The difference being whether the additional metal removal required for the rims was done by counterborre or by facing off the rear of the cylinder.)
.45 ACP conversions hurt value the most. .45 Colt not a whole lot if the markings on the rear of the cylinder are reasonably intact. Actually, the value loss is obscured in the general price variability "noise". There's a fairly wide range and there's no rhyme or reason to it! Junkers bring as much or more than good ones- sometimes!
You are right. Looking very closely at this photo:
https://www.milsurps.com/attachment....1&d=1307317513
I cannot see any indication of a counterbore, and I think it has been shaved a tiny bit. But not enough for .45 ACP+moonclips. Your opinion? How much would be necessary for .45 Colt?
Patrick
:wave:
It's not much- 1mm roughly? Give or take 0.005". I'll try and remember to check my RFC marked one that's been counterbored for the rims of the thicker (but smaller OD'ed) .45 Colt.
Yes, the rear of the cyl. was turned to allow for the thicker Colt rim. Therefore the Ser. # on the cly. was missing, but the yoke and extractor had numbers matching the frame and barrel. The missing number from the cyl. was my first clue that it had been altered before looking in the chambers. Whoever did the machine work did an excellent job, but did a lousy job of chambering. All the chambers were short and a loaded cyl. would not close. I had to rent a reamer to run them out and after that it testfired fine. I now know how much it is worth also. I sold it at a gunshow last weekend for $400. That was the best offer I got with a starting price of $500.
Thanks for y'alls help and interest.
Emri
Seems to fall in line, price-wise.
As for the counterbores on the example mentioned above, they varied from 0.015" to 0.020" deep. Mostly 0.018". ID is 0.515". Has functioned in both .45 Colt and .455 with no problems. Just don't expect great accuracy with bullet diameters under 0.454" as the throats on all these .45 caliber Smiths, including the factory chambered .45 ACPs, (up until the early 1990s or so) run 0.457-0.460"!
Excuse me for butting in here(being a Colt owner but my only S&W is a .38/200) but I know that Canada actually manufactured Mil Spec .45 Colt ammunition during WW2. The stuff had a military headstamp and a RNFMJ bullet. I have a round around here somewhere in my junk; try to find it.
Hope this helps...... or even just adds fuel to the fire.
.