for twenty buck at my favorite surplus store shop i didnt think i went wrong, but which pattern had the tabs to hold the clips in.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...101_1966-1.jpg
thank you for any help
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for twenty buck at my favorite surplus store shop i didnt think i went wrong, but which pattern had the tabs to hold the clips in.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...101_1966-1.jpg
thank you for any help
It's an M1923 belt, for the 5 round clips
Yep, and it was green so it's probably Korea vintage if not later. It could be late WW2 but probably not. There should be a date somewhere on the back if it's not washed out. By the way, the little snap tabs are for one of the two five round clips not holding in the eight round M1 clips...
You did great for $20.
Jim is correct. It's most likely Korean War vintage. Check carefully inside on the left and see if you can find the remnants of a date.
Most early to mid WWII web gear was made in the lighter shade called OD#3 that looks more like 'khaki' and the late gear when to OD#7 that's often referred to as olive drab green.
'Some' early gear was made in a darker shade too, so nothing is written in stone.
Most of the darker WWII vintage seems to be a dark greenish brown but the late WWII gear became a dark green and continued that way through Korea.
I just pulled out some of my gear recently and put a couple of sets together.
The set on the left is the lighter shade and the set on the right is the darker shade. (The set on the right is mostly USMC gear)
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...802Small-1.jpg
Here's a couple of detail photos of the inside with maker markings and dates
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...795Small-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...796Small-1.jpg
The darker shade belt on the right
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../2Small1-1.jpg
This is another belt in the OD#3 -
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...803Small-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...805Small-1.jpg
The 1923 belt was designed to hold 1903 or 1917 stripper clips two to a pouch with the strap separating them and a garand clip fit perfectly so they continued using the same design and manufacturing them.
I didn't even realize these belts were the same manufacture until I just took these photos, but they were made by many companies and colors varied greatly.
Harlan, that just shows that they were making everything at once and no rhyme or reason. When it changed, they probably didn't even notice.
I don't think any M1923 belts were made with the straps after WWII.
The darker OD no.7 started to be used around 1943.
You're exactly right Jim. They weren't concerned with having web gear that 'matched' perfectly in our collections 60 years later! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
I have a couple of pieces of web gear made using both the lighter khaki (OD3) and darker green (OD7) on the same item. They're known as 'transitional' by collectors implying they were made after the military decided they wanted things made in the darker green, and the makers were using up their supply of khaki. That's probably the case most often but I have a couple of 'transitional' items made very early. I think it just shows manufactures used whatever material they could acquire and hues probably changed often from different sources and from one batch to another.
This is an earlier design cover for the US e-tool (entrenching tool, or shovel) with transitional colors.
The later design had three positions of hooks and all of them I've seen are solid OD7 green
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...06/Etool-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...6/Etool2-1.jpg
oh now you are talking my language...great web gear set ups guys....love the M1905 bayonet in the M1910 scabbard....and NICE 1st pattern M43 shovel cover in OD3 with type 1 hanger
Kudos
Regards
Limey
USMC Boyt 43 cartridge belt and USMC M1910 shovel cover with off-set belt hook (backside) and 1903 stock also with MISS stampAttachment 24168
Now, that is incredible RCS! :thup:
Yeah Yeah Yeah RCS you can stop bragging now......:clap:
Outstanding and getting really hard to find now specific USMC M1923 Cartridge belts...usually made by Boyt......
Nice salty example....well done.
Guys correct me if i am wrong but the way to distinguish between a KW era belt and a WW2 era belt is the fact that KW era belts didnt have the stripper clip strap.....as by then the standard M1 Garand "en bloc" was the primary ammo clip.
Regards
Lloyd
Sounds right, the ones I saw were green only and good shape. Korea works for me.
Update - Found a 1958 dated cartridge belt with for sale (not mine) in the very green color and it was still being made in '58 with the straps inside the pouches.
(Looks like Jim may be correct on this one)
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...63ASmall-1.jpg
wish i had a better camera for this snce my first pic sucks. im not so far into this as to know what # od something is, so my hat is off to y'all who do. the only marking i can make out on mine is a faint B over a 4 and something i cant make out. the material itself is two diferent colors mostaly a shade of od. the pull flaps and the material on the inside which holds the belt in place is more of a tan color ( butternut where i come from ) ill attempt to get a pic up that is better. sorry i wasnt following this better as y'all are a true wealth of info, but i was busy getting marrried and my wife was accepting no distraction from my hobbies.
Congratulations mattgunguy!
Now that you have that little marriage distraction out of the way, you can get back to important things and we can figure out what your belt is since you started this thread! ;)
Seriously, try to take some photos in outside lighting if you can. If your belt has khaki shades it's most likely WWII. Every one of these I've seen from the Korean War era and beyond is solid OD #7 (Olive drab green)
ok folks i got the chance to take some better pics.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...101_2115-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...101_2121-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...101_2117-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...101_2119-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...101_2122-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...101_2120-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...101_2121-1.jpg
hope this can help clarify things
MUCH better photos mattgunguy! That's definitely a WWII vintage belt.
Let me know if you ever want to double your money! You stole it for $20.
Harlan you need a spare cartridge belt ?.......:thup: and yes Matt 100% WW2 vintage m1923 Belt...nice score for $20
Regards
Lloyd
Sure do Lloyd!Quote:
Originally Posted by LimeyCarbineLover
They're like carbines and Lays potatoes chips, don't you know. No two are ever alike and you can't stop with just one.
Harlan pm received thank you for your kind comments......i do have a spare...shoot me your email address in pm form and i will send it across....its an OD 3 one 42 dated and its only flaw is a couple of fragile male section LTD studs...but displays perfectly.
When you get it we can "negotiate" a buddy rate sale price.
Regards
Lloyd
Dont you worry with OD7 colour. If the buckle is made out webbed light alloy it's a genuine WWII period. If buckle is made ou brass 99% it's a korean era. Very few M1923 ctg belts from WWII show brass buckle.
BTW the inner strap is used to separate '03 five rounds strip avoiding one will fall to the ground when you pick up thr other. It's unuseful with garand clip.