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My son and I shot a long-range military match last Saturday using our Swiss rifles and GP11. 300, 500, 600 and 800 yards with "as issued" military rifles. We both had a great time and did alright--he got a 307/400 with his K31 and I got a 333/400 with my 96/11. We were bested by another Swiss shooter using GP11 and a 1911 who scored a 364/400.
I attached the results less names..
Wow, that is an impressive array of military rifles, and your results are excellent, too. All from prone, right?
How many sighting shots did you get at each distance?
What rear sight elevations did you use at each distance?
Do you know what model "Swede Mauser" that is listed on there?
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All shooting was from the prone with a "soft" front rest (back pack, sand bag,etc). No "machine" rests or such.
Each position was 10 shots, with 2 sighters, except at 800 yards, where it was unlimited sighters. I used the "3" sight position @ 300, the "5" @ 500 and 600 and the "7" @ 800 yards. The conversion of yards to meters seemed to work out about right.
The "Swede Mauser" was an M96. There were also a couple of M41B Swedish sniper versions of the M96 in the "open" class
Thanks for that info. Very helpful. One more question: Why were the M41B and M-N 91/30 PU included in the 'Open' class, since those were "as-issued" sniper rifles?Quote:
Originally Posted by Calfed
The match rules for this match tracked the rules for a military silhouette match that is also shot at this range. That match involves chicken, pig, turkey and ram silhouettes shot at distances of 220, 330, 420 and 550 yards.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...pics0131-1.jpg
The silhouette match started out "as issued, iron sight" and eventually a class of scoped military rifles (As issued sniper, as well as vintage rifles with modern scopes) was created.
The long range military match tracks these rules. Besides, hardly seems fair to pit iron sights against scoped, even if the scoped rifles are "as issued".
Yes that absolutely makes total sense (to compete the scoped rifles in a different class from iron sights). Thanks for the explanation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calfed
I guess what confused me was the implication that the sniper rifles are not "as issued" when in fact they are. I guess if they used the term 'sniper' for the as-issued (or after-market) sniper rifles, that might be less confusing for the anal-retentive types like me!
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I can see the confusion.
Also included in the "open class" are military rifles with "non issue" or "non-military" sights. I have a couple of Swedish Mausers with the diopter rear sights, as well as several M1903's and a K31 with target sights.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...sert0101-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...y03s0291-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...DSC00224-1.jpg
When I shoot those, I have to shoot in the "open" category against the scopes.
Very nice assortment you have there.
See mine below. So similar, except I have not yet been able to talk myself into modifying any of my US rifles. Before I did that, I would first have to find and add to my collection a similar duplicate for any one of my present ones that I would alter significantly.
The K31 setup with front and rear apertures, barrel damper, and bipod, is freaky accurate, practically effortless. But I have not been able to get to a range longer than 300 yards, yet.
I don't especially care for the tiny Redfield globe front sight on the third from top (Swede FSR), but it's better than the plain post it came with. I would really like to find and install one of those clamp-over-the-sight-base or clamp-around-the-muzzle Elit globe/aperture front sights for it.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo..._reduced-1.jpg
Nice collection, alamo. My 1903 target rifles--actually all my target rifles were altered before I came into possession of them. I could not bring myself to alter a military rifle myself. The advantage of getting them already altered was a serious discount on what they would have cost unmodified.
I've got a few others..A CG80 and a Husqvarna M96 that has been mounted in a CG 63 stock. they make a nice complement to the unmodified military rifles.
Calfed,
thanks for that great report and slide show.
It warms my heart to the oldies still up and running and shooting great scores, many as long as 100 plus years after they where manufactured!
Lets wait and see if some of the "black" rifles last that long!!
many thanks
NED:thup::thup::thup:
Thanks, trooper.
Getting into military rifle shooting occurred at just the right time for my sons and I. It has had a great affect on our relationship and is great fun. We are lucky to be close enough to a range that has the capabilities to offer these kinds of matches.
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Alamo, of your aperture sighted military rifles, which have you found to be the most accurate?