:yikes:So how about it come on and fess up... anyone ever shoot themself with a milsurp [what was it ] because of ignorance of the function of the weapon or otherwise?...just a flesh wound no big deal eh!
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:yikes:So how about it come on and fess up... anyone ever shoot themself with a milsurp [what was it ] because of ignorance of the function of the weapon or otherwise?...just a flesh wound no big deal eh!
Nope. Haven't shot anyone else, either!
Sounds like you might have a story for us!
Not me, but an innocent bystander caught a piece of bullet jacket whilst I was attempting to clear a Frommer stop. (Barely broke the skin.) Bullet went straight down and disintigrated on the concrete floor about 2-3" from my feet. "New" weapon. Major errors on my part?- Did not remove the magazine, but merely looked inside the ejection port and didn't see anything- not even the mag, which I thought was in my pocket. (Small grip, so hand covered the bottom.) Let the slide go, but felt no tactile sign of a round loading. But rather than handing it off to the next fellow, who would have checked it again, I attempted to ease the hammer down by holding onto it whilst pulling the trigger. Nope! Hammer wouldn't go. Mystified, I tried it several more times, Holding the hammer back whilst pulling the trigger to the rear. Finally, frustrated that it wouldn't lower slowly, i just pulled the trigger whilst pointing it in a reasonably safe direction. (It was an uncontrolled area, and people were milling about- most with guns.)
Don't rememeber the noise so much as the dark orange muzzle blast. Made folk stop! Later, one fellow shows me a scratch on his belly- didn't penetrate the skin.
Discovered later that the mag was wrong- too short by a little- being an FN mag, and wasn't the one for the pistol. Never fed reliably again! Don't know where it came from, BTW.
Also discovered that the pistol's disconnector works unlike all others of which I'm familiar. The act of pulling the trigger past a certain point, just beyond the the sear release, trips the sear and re-engages it.
SO, ALWAYS remove the mag (even if there isn't supposed to be one) FIRST, before continuing a clearance drill.
Thirty years ago or so and STILL fresh in the mind. Oddly, this was a period of 2-3 years where almost every gun guy I knew had some incident with a firearm, including an NRA instructor.
I was hit with a ricochet on a private range, a .38 spl. Upper leg and it wasn.t bad. Best part...I was all alone and fourty miles from home. All other hits and misses were military so they don't count. I know the .38 spl wasn't a milsurp but it WAS ex police.
Oh, yeah! Thanks for the remind, browningautorifle! Similar scenaio, but different (Not alone, for one). .38 Special bullet came back and hit me in the leg after bouncing off the tread of an old tire. Hurt, but no broken skin as it was cold, and the garments were thick. Apparently .38s won't shoot through steel belted tread, but will usually puncture the side wall. Also a long ago event. Plumb forget about that one.
me three ... as a 16 year old watching my dad shoot a service match of some sort ... got to the steel plate and whack, hit hard on the shin. Blood everywhere ... well, it trickled a little ... Still got a little scar. 38Sp lead.
My dad's old hunting buddy peppered me pretty good with bird shot when I was about 10 years old. I'd been hunting with my dad for years by that age and I was exactly where I was supposed to be behind them a bit. They flushed a covey of quail to his friend's left side and I'll never forget him swinging around in his excitement and his shotgun going off straight at me. I dove down instinctively I guess trying to duck and most of the shot that hit me was absorbed by my coat and hat but I caught a couple that broke the skin in my hand and right ear.
We were in Oklahoma and it was really cold so it didn't even hurt that much, but by the time my dad was holding his handkerchief to my ear, it caught up to me and I remember I started sobbing so bad I couldn't stop. Bad time for all. I never told my mom what happened. I think it was a given to not discuss it with her, but my dad didn't tell me not to say anything. Earl never hunted with us again.
Lets be careful out there.
(Thanks for the memories Rich!) ;)
~ Harlan
Was his buddy Dick Chenney?
Years ago i was shooting cast along with a group of guy's at our gunclub, we all shoot milsurps mainly 03A3,mausers,enfields. One fella from our circle had ALOT of surplus military powder from Israel which he was selling for $2 bucks per lb [ no loading data or nothing to compare it to as far as burning rate ] NOT FOR ME ... anyway some of these old guy's, and i'm a graybeard myself, but these fellas were pushing 80 and they were major cheap, bought up all that powder and he had 80lb of it, with the intention of working up cast bullet loads in their milsurps. Art was one of those fellas and would c clamp a lee reloading press and have his outer stuff to make up loads and shoot right there at the bench; He was shooting a SMITH-CORONA 03A3 and i was two benches down from him when that rifle let go and what a horrible sight to behold, top of receiver completely blown off, stock shattered at wrist area among other destruction; his nose where it meets your face was sliced up a good inch [and he had a heck of a hoonker too ] blood everywhere,powder burns imbedded into his face and right hand. we took him to a local hospital for treatment he got stitches and cleaned up the powder burns.anyway major lesson learned CHEAP isn't the way to go when it comes to buying reloading componants that no-one knows what the stuff is. NICE SMITH-CORONA DESTROYED -do to being cheap, and believe me he and a few other guy's there are cheap but man they sure have some fine milsurps tucked away but hopefully they learned a lesson but i doub't it.
M1 Garand thumb here.
I've had two different buddies shoot themselves. Both were handguns been removed from holsters and were both locked and cocked. Both discharged, one guy ended up in the hospital, the other didn't.
I did. But I missed.
Got hit in the head (helmet) several times by ricochets .... does that count ... :lol:
Regards,
Doug
Shooting when younger at a fair where you used Browning Gallery .22's. You know the one where you hit pipes or ducks or whatever. I think I was the only one shooting at the time and felt something hit my nose, picked out a small piece of lead. Of course no shooting glasses in those days and lucky it missed my eye.
I have no personal experience with such, although I do know that it happens.
1. Fellow I knew, many years ago, shot himself in the hand with a .38 S&W shorty, just to prove to his "tough" buddies that he had the "jam" to do it. Poor little F&W ended up at the bottom of the Fraser River: he got right ticked when it hurt!
2. We have a local Hunter Safety Instructor who walks funny, owing to a significant chunk of one foot being missing..... something to do with not knowing the thing was loaded (while he actually was out deer-hunting, by the way) and pulling the trigger anyway. Not smart. He still teaches people how not to shoot themselves. I really wonder how many listen!
3. We have had TWO local members of our vaunted RCMP blow chunks off themelves with their Service sidearms. Of course, being Actual Government Employees, no legal or disciplinary action whatever was taken..... publicly. They were simply transfered to another detachment when the snickering and laughing got to epic proportion. This really makes me ask, when a bunch of new guys are transferred in, "what in blazes did THEY do to get transferred????". A VERY big problem is that they are "experts", whatever that means, and you can't tell them ANYTHING.... and they are so paranoid that it isn't even funny: it's scary. I was stopped once on the highway (random stop: illegal, I know, but don't tell them that or you're in REAL trouble) and the cop went halfway ballistic when he discovered a .303 in the back seat of my car. I told him that it wasn't loaded (of course: I'm not totally stupid) and he screamed at me to get away, that HE was an EXPERT and had been TRAINED on this EXACT rifle (Really? On a 1907 SMLE Mark I***?), all this while he was wrenching at the bolt-handle as hard as he could. Finally, I yelled right back at him that it MIGHT be an idea to rotate the SAFETY to the OFF position, that the bolt then would open without wrecking a very valuable rifle. But it is amazing, the amount of pure ego some of these guys can develop in just a few months of training.
4. On a completelky different note, I have seen TWO sets of autopsy photographs which were enough to make you lose your lunch. In Newfoundland, it was common for small-boat fishermen to carry a single-shot shotgun in the boat, thus making it easier to pot the occasional Turr or even Puffin for dinner (It is legal to shoot Turrs, properly called Murres, in Newfoundland, but not Puffins, which taste just as good and are plentiful.) The problem arrives when the boat comes back to the wharf and the tide is out too far. The shotgun is grabbed by the muzzle and swung up onto the wharf. If the gun is loaded, bad things can happen..... and did actually happen, to two brothers, 3 years apart. The doctor picked the plastic wads out of the men's livers while my friend, the RCMP corporal at Twillingate, stood by, taking pictures for the inquest.
5. And on a far funnier note, there WAS actually, for a few years, a competition for the Manitoba Single-Burst Machine-Gun Championship. The targets were a whole line-up of falling plates and Pepper poppers, the Brandon Rod and Gun Club put on the event and the machine-guns were brought by 3 local collectors, along with vast amounts of ammunition. The idea was to pay your entry fee, pick a machine-gun.... and see how many targets you could knock down while firing ONE MAG in a SINGLE BURST. I was running a community newspaper at the time and it was just about the ONLY paper in the province that would say something good about guns. Even got a great front-page photo of one of the cutest girls I ever saw, just INCREDIBLE grin on her face and SEVEN empties hanging in the air just outside the ejection port of a 1928A1 Tommy. But at the event one year, there was a girl there with a MOST impressive bust...... and a halter-top about the size of a pair of Band-Aids. She was using a Sten Mark II with some ammo that likely should have been condemned.... and she got a hot casing RIGHT between this pair of monuments to God's inventiveness, down where it couldn't be fished out....... and she still had her finger on the trigger of a loaded machine-gun. The gun stopped firing and she started dancing, VERY QUICKLY. Fortunately, only a nasty burn. Likely the scar has faded by now: it WAS 28 years ago! But I'll bet that she sure remembers. Everybody else does, that's for sure!
But nothing personally..... and I'd like to keep it that way.
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Sort of off topic.
The local cops do all of there qualifications at our range.
Anyhow this particular day one of the cops must have been in quite a rush as he started shootin before his glock even left the holster.
I am not quite sure what ammo the cops use in the .40 s&w however it does have enough power to enter the thigh, exit the thigh, enter the calf and end up in the foot.
After the cop shot himself his mates bundled him into the wagon and raced him to hospital, spinning the wheels all the way to the front gate.
Our range has a speed limit of 20, so the club sent an official letter asking that these rules be observed in the future.
Stirred em right up it did, no sense of humor!
A couple of points:
1 .. I like that Tex Grebner accepts responsibility for his injury. In this day of diminished responsibility, it is quite rare. It is also above and beyond that he shared it like he did. We all know guns, whilst fun, are not toys.
2 .. Freshly minted cops tend to know it all, just ask them. They embarrass the experienced cops as much as they annoy us. Having said that, my brother used to be a shooter and now toes the party line about firearms. They do become 'experts' in their own mind and whilst the reasonable ones can be talked to, the unreasonable ones always know better. Like my brother. Makes for fun times :)
I might also add a comment about Rusty.303's story. Next time a local copper gives someone from the club grief about something small, remember this story. The club was technically correct but an unoffical word to the local commander would have gone a long way towards addressing the situation without inflaming it. I believe that the shooting community needs to become more aggressive in the defence of our sport but p1ssing off the local cops to prove a point is counter productive. My opinion, clearly not that of the club in question.[COLOR="Orange"]
Do wars count?
Had a carbine my first tour in Viet Nam in 1967/68. Since they were sold in the early 60's for $20 delivered, did that make it a milsurps type weapon when it was issued to me?
It's milsurp now...but then again so are we. Besides, I'd love to hear it.
Yes, please let us know what you're referring to, Jim.
Also just for the record -
I appreciate the honesty of 'Tex' sharing what he did in the name of gun safety. For the record, most Texans wear neither cowboy hats of camo hats, much-less both at the same time.
His video reminded me of a situation that happened to one of my buddies named Tim when I was a city cop. Our chief would only let us carry .357 S&W revolvers. ( We only got to choose what finish we wanted) Tim was called out on a mundane call from a local jewelry store where an individual had previously passed a bad check and the person was still there when Tim walked in the front door. The person was the only one there at the counter, and as Tim walked in the guy turned his back and then came around with a semi auto pistol in his hand. Tim drew his S&W the moment he saw the gun and fired two rounds that hit the floor in front of him, then one in the guy's leg and two more in the guy's chest. A lot can happen in a short time when your adrenalin takes over in the flee or fight mode.
Tim called the paramedics, but the guy bled to death before they arrived. He told me about how terrible the scene was and he resigned not long afterward because it bothered him so much. I think it bothered him more to kill someone than being in danger of being killed.
Most police officers never have to fire a shot in their whole career, but Tim had to after being on duty less than two years. I knew some cops who acted like jerks to almost everyone including other police, and there were others who were as kind as could be. I think some just take on a bad attitude as a self defense mechanism.
I know it's natural to criticize police officers, and I've done it myself at times but it can be a tough career. I have to hand it to anyone who can do it their whole career. I quit on good terms after only four years and had all I wanted of having to work different shifts every month, working through all holidays in all weather, spending most of my time dealing the lowest form of humanity and good people in terrible times of their lives, and only having other police as friends anymore because most everyone else shuns you, etc.
Yes, police do keep to themselves a lot of the time. And yes, there are some decent ones and some not so decent. Personalities are as varied as they are in any office environment.
Hear hear CAFDFW. Most cops are very good people trying to do a very tough job with little or no respect. I call those gentlemen and Ladies Peace officers. They are polite and professional and keep their cool. Unfortuneatly their is the other individuals who pin on a bage and strap on a gun and become SUPER COP instantly. They have neither the temperment nor the manners to be in that position. There are a lot of names for indivuals like that and LEO or Peace Officer is not on the list.
To get back to the topic on hand I have been hit by ricochets. We were shooting at a half inch peice of plywood one day with a Raven .25 at a distance of aproximately 15 yards and they were bouncing back at us. Not a single round passed through the plywood.
Yup. There are good ones and a few jerks who make everyone look bad that even the other police don't like. Back on topic.
There are some that just plain, well...
(I'm the only one in this room professional enough...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKjYlpex4OM
I have had some scary run-ins with the police through the years but, even then, I must say that the Good Guys likely outnumber the damfools about 10 to 1.
Ron Beer, the guy who showed me the autopsy photos I mentioned, was a Good Guy. Sick and tired of searching and hunting for lost-at-sea fishermen, Ron put his OWN money into DOING something. Out of his efforts (and the free top-half-front-page I gave him) grew the Canadian Coast Guard Search and Rescue Auxiliary. In Newfoundland, this organisation can put 200 boats to sea, manned and skippered by men who are EQUIPPED for the job, in Notre Dame Bay alone.... and do it from a single telephone call, in one hour.
About a year after starting that, Ron Beer woke up at 1 AM. At 1:03 he was dead. Heart. He was 41 years old and 10 days from retirement. Ron`s was the only Obituary I ever printed on the front page.
A Good Cop: all he ever wanted to be.
I am only sorry that he didn`t live to see what he started grow into what it is today.
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