Bayonet marking?

I have seen this mark in my travels and searched high and low and came up croppers. I'm not even sure what bayonet it is? I thought it was a German WWI but the handle is different from the pictures in my books. What the heck is it?https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...IMG_0207-1.jpghttps://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...MG_02061-1.jpghttps://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...MG_02081-1.jpg The mark I'm talking about is the 2 guys holding hands? Looks like the S84/98 German? I looked closer with better light and the handle looks exactly like the German WWI bayo. Am I right , who is the maker and can I get the wood handles for it?

Go to Carl Smith's site and you shall find all. BAyonet Collection Presentation Commonly known as the butcher bayonet. Yes, Geman. Maybe 98/05.

J A Henckel made the bayonet


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Your bayonet is a German S98/05 'butcher' that was commonly used in WW1. It is 'double maker' marked, once by the producer, once by the finisher/retailer.
The L/H ricasso shows the maker mark Act. Ges. (short for Actiengesellschaft) Vorm. over Frister & Rossman, Berlin - so read Frister & Rossman, maker.
On the R/H ricasso is stamped the 'twins' symbol of the maker J.A. Henkels Zwillingswerk of Solingen, who probably finished and retailed the end product.

Thank you all very much. I had looked up bayonet makers(German) and on what little I could read on the blade deduced Frister & Rossman but had not got to the 2nd part. Thanks again for the info. What is a good source for handles as the gentleman that has it and is either going to make his own or throw it away? He is as evidence of my pictures, partially got the blade done and does this as a hobby.

You can get repro grips or buy a turkish cut down and use the ones from that as the 98/05 is worth more than the turked one

As said above, the bayonet is an Imperial German Sg98/05 bayonet. It appears to be a battlefield recovery and as such it had a unique collectability. Believe it or not, many WW1 collectors will pay a premium for dug or surface recovered items with bayonets being near the top of the list. Rifles and helmets are the two items that are above bayonets in desirability on the list of popular recovered items. That being said, the gentleman, by removing the brown oxidation and pitting, has taken this one from that field and turned it into a less than fair condition bayonet in the general bayonet collection area. This one was a good one since it was probably recovered only a few years after the War, say in the late 1920s or early 1930s. You can find a Turkish cut down 98/05 and use the grips from it but do be aware that the grips are not always totally interchangeable and will require fitting but is fairly simple and easily done if required. The "Zweilingswerk" marking is scarce but not rare, it does make it slightly more desirable.

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Go to Carl Smith's site and you shall find all. [.

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Wish it did contain all ;-) and the smith is from the fact that when i started all this many years ago I lived in an Sld Smithy - Black Smiths Shop, in a small Scottish village (converted to a house but the hearth was still in an outbuilding.) I took old smithy as a company and web name, and now many only know be as oldsmithy, keeps me anonomous lol

g....5, thanks I just got your reply and told my friend and he said ....well ...What can I do now?
nothing but carry on with a restoration of a bayonet that was going to be put in the trash un till he picked it up for $5. But I learned a valuable lesson.

Yup, somebody took a perfectly good dug up bayonet and proceeded to attack it with a grinder of some sort. Probably reducing it's value by upwards of 80% in the process. What is left of it would make a great bush/utility knife though, it IS good German steel after all.

Yes, I often stop by and see what my friend is working on and was obviously too late, to as I've learned, save this one. I have told him that in doubt call me and I'll do some research first. He spent his whole life refinishing all manner of things and now that he is retired just does it as a hobby,you know something to do.

I have tried looking for the handles for it and my searches may not be worded correctly. Also if you know a dealer that sells them don't be shy, as Kramer on Sienfeld once said "why don't you just tell me the movie you want to see?"

Yes, many battlefield picked up items have been destroyed over the years but the fellow shows a lot of effort in his attempts to restore it so I am glad that he at least managed to salvage it rather than having it pitched in the garbage, he is to be applauded for that and I do appreciate the amount of labor he has put into it so I don't want to sound as if I am sneering at him. He didn't know and many others would not appreciate it for what it was and feel that people who collect rusty items are simply "not all there" if you know what I mean. If something like this turns up again, he will know that it can be saved as is. Who knows? He may be able to find out the story of how it was found and salvaged.

Good point...I will inquire about the history. He has stopped working on it for now,as he has lost alot of strength due to radiation treatments. I told him I would love to spend some time on it for him (removing the rust, you know the long tedious stuff) and boy did that hour go by fast.
I had forgotten that my wife needed her car to go to work. I'll be back on it as soon as I find more time. Any more help locating handles would be great. Did you mean turkish cut down bayonet and take the handles off it?

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Good point...I will inquire about the history. He has stopped working on it for now,as he has lost alot of strength due to radiation treatments. I told him I would love to spend some time on it for him (removing the rust, you know the long tedious stuff) and boy did that hour go by fast.
I had forgotten that my wife needed her car to go to work. I'll be back on it as soon as I find more time. Any more help locating handles would be great. Did you mean turkish cut down bayonet and take the handles off it?

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Yes, find a "Turked" or shortened Sg98/05 bayonet and use those grips. But do keep in mind, as I said above, that they will likely need "adjustment" to fit. Also, many of the Turkish used Sg98/05, especially those that were shortened in Turkish use (the only ones you should consider destroying) are almost always very worn and the slashes will no longer be present.

Sorry to hear that your friend is sick, hopefully the radiation treatments are being of some help. And good of you to offer him some help on the project, I know that a good friend is always a comfort when in hard times. Good on ya.