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As suggested by Peter Laidler, this thread is to list out the many and various reasons to DP a rifle.
Due to my lack of hands on technical skill, I will kick the list off with an obvious Urban myth.
Reason 1 to not DP a Rifle. It was issued to the Durban Police.
Reason 1 to DP a Rifle. Worn Body
Paul
They must have DP'd this one because it had a big hole and a saw cut in the barrel.
Shame because it's a matching 1935 lithgow.
Hardening failed at the locking shoulders was a firm favourite at Base Workshops
Low magazine front stop face
Stripped threads.
For DP purposes it was permissable to drill through to deepen a stripped front trigger guard screw. Re-tap and use longer bolt
Distorted body
Broken away bolt head guide on Mk1/1's and 1/3's
Mk1/2's, 1/3's and 2's, enlarged trigger axis pin hole. We weren't permitted to stake/ring punch hole
There's a few to be getting on with
What I can't understand is ... why were DP'd rifles left capable of chambering and firing live ammo ? Or are we looking at a load of DP parts which have been exported and then re-built as live shooters ?
I'll add the worn bolt/bolt channel for consideration just because I had a no1 mk3 that would fire when the safety was lowered. The bolt was loose enough in the channel to lift over the sear as the safety was turned, scared us good.
If they can't chamber rounds, one can't practice: Holding, Loading Aiming & Firing because the Drill Rounds won't chamber.Quote:
Originally Posted by bouletbill
Second they were not "left capable of .... firing live ammo" because the firing pins were cut. Of course that does not stop an idiot from putting a Service bolt into a DP Rifle but ensuring that a rifle has the correct bolt is drilled into one and one can't legislate for complete stupidity.
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Forgive me but this subject has been done to death in the past and the reason for DP'ing a rifle is because a DP Rifle was needed - no other. As Peter has pointed out in the past, obviously one chooses the worst rifles on hand for DP'ing but once they were exhausted, perfectly good rifles can be, and were, DP'dQuote:
Originally Posted by paulseamus
I wouldn't agree that this particular thread has been flogged to death Beery. This thread is just detailing of list of REASONS why a particular rifle might be downgraded to DP as opposed to the NEED for a DP rifle.
That way, someone with a DP rifle that looks perfectly serviceable might have an idea as to exactly WHY it's marked DP Or am I flogging a dead horse............?
Can't have happened in the OZ military system, this weapon would not even exist now. As per the EMEI this would have had the woodwork removed, S/N defaced and 5 cuts by oxy or a cutting wheel through the receiver, knox, and 3 more cuts equidistant across the barrel. All dumped into a bin marked ferrous, for scrap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demo
Any suggestions where it was done. I recall about 30 others in the batch with this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by muffett.2008
Interesting question, DP's were left in the system until too damaged to use.
Qld. is the only state in Oz that De activates firearms is'nt it?
Got no idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by muffett.2008
DP L59 No4's and L60 L1A1's (and the Bren variants........) remained in the Pom system for a long time because there was no real reason to scrap them. Things that would condemn a normal rifle, such as duff barrel or loose bolt/worn body etc etc, even split butts repaired many, many times didn't matter with a DP so they'd be repaired well after a usual rifle was past its sell-by date.
As a matter of interest, can you have deactivated firearms of any sort in Oz now? Or is it just Qld?
Not sure of the other states but presently in Queensland a deactivated catagory B firearm is not required to be registered on a firearms licence.
For the record, the DP'd rifle pictured in my post earlier in this thread is registered as a firearm. To be classed as a deactivated firearm and removed from my licence it would have to meet the requirements in the Queensland weapons act and certified as such.
Peter
Firearms in Australia are controlled under State legislation. The Federal Howard Goverment buyback saw a national tightening of firearms control but there still are differences in legislation and regulations between the 7 States and 2 Territories. The handling of de-acts does vary state to state.
In WA is is very difficult to hold a Licence for any modern semi auto rifle, especially if it is of military origin. Being a de-act does not change this.
Paul
[QUOTE=Beerhunter;191291]If they can't chamber rounds, one can't practice: Holding, Loading Aiming & Firing because the Drill Rounds won't chamber.
Ok Beerhunter, that's the basis of my misunderstanding. I was thinking that 'Drill Purpose' (DP) was for 'Rifle Drill' which was only done on the parade ground. When we were learning to operate the rifle, that was listed as 'Weapon Training' and was always done with live rifles.
Being ex Raeme, I can't honestly say but I do remember a few big parades for VIPs where the firearms suddenly appeared in pristine, polished condition, complete with chrome bayonets, and after the parade, disappeared just as quick.
The reference for DP's in Oz was EMEI WPN Y 017-1, but on retirement I did'nt think I would need a reference to this. Maybe SON or someone still active may be able to come in on this one.
We're getting technical now Son and Muffer....... I always remember the EMEI's as SA&MG for Small Arms and Machine Guns, the same as the pom EMER's. Am I wrong or did the EMEI's change to EMEI weapons from SA&MG?
I still have EMEI's for our old Owens and they are SA&MG!
We did have 12 wooden gripped L1A1 bayonets in 8 RAR that came out for VIP's. RSM Lee told me that I had to make and fit the grips along the lines of No5 grips. But No5 grips wouldn't fit because the holes wouldn't align and the hilt was tooooooo hard to drill! Anyway, these immaculate off-charge bayonets lived in his drawer!
Pete, EMEI Weapons A-Z
Obviously been simplified. Are they still EMEI's? Ours are now AESP's but in all honesty, and it's sad to say, but they're better than EMER's
What do you mean the only state?Quote:
Originally Posted by muffett.2008
we have had de-acts for years here in the west, strictest rules in the country, don't know what you are missing out on!!!
Cheers
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Originally Posted by muffett.2008
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