5 Mues sights.

I have always had a passing interest in different target sights over the years and always kept an eye out for odd sights. I've probably let go some i should have kept, but anyway i never let these go - they are all different.

One of the "MUES SPECIALS" is D^D marked, and the foot part faces the opposite direction to the rest, never been able to work out why. The one with the plate attached must have once belonged on a Martini, unfortunately the top adjustment knob has gone west at some point.

Anyway hope they are of interest to all.

Cheers

Mike.

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Thanks for sharing, very interesting and a nice collection.

Nice collection,thanks for sharing. there was a post on another board that explains the difrent angle of the base . Surplusrifle Forum View topic - Mues folding sight ...
cheers

The ones with the foot either vertical or forward/rearward, are Mues way of making a sight thats adjusts for eye relief to the rear sight. Nice collection, well done.

Hi Mike, interesting bits you have there, 2 Mues Specials, the first with standard, the second with half extension, both circa 1930's.
The 3rd sight is a Mues No.1 improved in whats left of full extension, the 4th is a fair example of a No.1 in standard (nose knocker) configuration.
The last, had it not been modded, would have been the most valuable, being an original Mues Light Model, circa 1912, but it has been cut and adapted to a rear volley sight.
If it could be ascertained that this was a Mues Modification, and if repaired, would be extremely valuable......but all the reference material in my collection says otherwise, still a very innovative effort, the Mues bracket though is good and relatively rare, and was used for mounting the Mues sights with the extended windarm on to the M.L.E. without interfering with the rear volley sight, as required by the regulations of the day.


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A reference has been given to another forum where these sights were discussed, maybe worth a look.

HI, I'm new. I have the No1 Standard Nose Knocker. Something I thought was interesting and my mean nothing. Mues is stamped twice. Once on top of the original stamp. It has 90 percent of the bluing and the original eye piece, it's on a 1953 No1 SMLE Lithgow. came from New Z.

What would it roughly be worth. I'm not going to sell it.

Jerry

my mistake. I have the no 1 improved full extentsion, The standard arm adjustable for windage canted toward the barrel. It's confusing. I saw a "don" which sight is that. I only glimpsed at it, and it was before I was interested.

Jerry

Australian made "THE DON" named after Sir Donald Bradman a famous cricketer, his nick name"THE DON" is synonym for peerlessness , i have a very strong suspicion it was snapped up by Muffett:clap: If so well done, i believe it is a extremely scarce sight to say the least.

A very interesting field the study of sights, there are many types and variations just in the Australian made types, let alone BSA, Parker, Westley Richards, etc.

Mike.

yes, they have a way of getting to you..

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John Mues was not the smartest man on the block, his narrow vision approach and failure to upgrade patents for his designs, left him wrong footed in the rapidly changing competitive shooting market.
His failure to produce his original sight when contesting Dunns CENTRAL patent, saw his case go against him, Dunn producing a later modified Mues sight as proof in his defence and as that design had varied greatly from his original patent, bore no relation to his argument against Dunn.
Mues used his patent No. 18073/10 to cover all his designs up to 1936, thats every modification from the original design until the Mues Special.
His patent 101181 of 1936 actually was used to cover the original Climax and the Kings, it is easy to see why there were so many varied sights designed in Australia from 1905 until the 60's as several makes were not patented at all.

Bugger, all those pic's had captions. 1st. original patent, 2nd.Original mues light model, 3rd.Mues folders , 4th.Mues from light model to Mues Special and Mues Climax, different variations. 5th.Climax, 6th. Kings, 7th. windarm variations, 8th.rear of arms, original and improved light model closed arm, 1st. model on are open arm. 9th.note the variations of thickness in peep mount. 10th.Early brackets closed, later ones open.

As I said on another forum, the kiwi's were the worst offenders for modifying sights, the double stamp may make it worth more as a point of interest, (please show pic's) they are only worth what someone is willing to pay.

I don't know how to post pictures. Thanks for all the valuable information. I have mine mounted on a No1 Mk3 Lithgow and it does stay square. It starts to lean back. Are they supposed to have a mounting bracket? I can't find one. If they do.

They were originally designed to mount directly to the rifle, Mues did not produce a bracket until 1928 (pat.13568/28) but did manufacture long windarms for those that used brackets allready on the market.
The short windarm is the most common, as he had a monopoly in the early years, although there were better sights out there, his were being used by the likes of Percy Pavey which created a huge boost for him.
If your sight is correctly locked in it should not move without a reasonable push to fold it forward, if a short windarm type, the centre of the sight should be in line with the barrel, if it is a long windarm, you will need to undo the zero plate and relocate it to the hole close to the vertical post.

I discovered the issue. I don't have a correct "dog bone". mine is just a rectangle of slightly bent steel. Trying to find one now.

Hello! I have a question about a diopter MUES CLIMAX. Does anyone know what is the semi-circular hole in the base of the peep? post a picture for better understanding. On the right a BSA9c, on the left a Climax. Thanks to all and forgive the Google Translate

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You have an early Climax, the cutout allows the sight location position to be seen on the early versions of Mues's sight mount patented 107423 of 1938.
There were several different styles covered in this patent application, the last being a dovetail, requiring a different leg than the one you portray.

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You have an early Climax, the cutout allows the sight location position to be seen on the early versions of Mues's sight mount patented 107423 of 1938.
There were several different styles covered in this patent application, the last being a dovetail, requiring a different leg than the one you portray.

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Thank you for the valuable information, here a picture of the diopter. There is only written the name "MUES", no model or patent number.

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The patent number I gave you is for the mounting bracket, the patent for your sight is 101181/36.
Mues designed this fixed arm sight shortley after losing a patents conflict court case against William Dunn, designer of the Central Sights and various tools, brackets and shooting accessories sold under the TradeMark CENTRAL.

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Originally Posted by muffett.2008

The patent number I gave you is for the mounting bracket, the patent for your sight is 101181/36.
Mues designed this fixed arm sight shortley after losing a patents conflict court case against William Dunn, designer of the Central Sights and various tools, brackets and shooting accessories sold under the TradeMark CENTRAL.

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Thanks again for the help. E 'can view the patent drawing?

I try with a simple question :) ... Is there a history list of models produced by MUES?

Only the patent dates and Pamphlets from his business.
Although there were several prototypes,
His first patent was for a magazine modification in 1907, then a windage/elevation adjustable ladder sight in 1908.
Then his first folder sight in 1910, which went thru several modifications up until 1935, subsequently known as the old light model, it became the Improved old model, with variations to the windarm and mounting base.
The Mues Special was developed in 1930, also a folder.
The first fixed arm sight was produced in 1936, subsequently called The Climax and was superseded by The Kings model which covered the period 1938/41, this was the Mues sight subject to Wartime Impressment, along with William Dunns Central Bisley model.

Last question (promised :bow: ) you can know how many Climax were produced? Even in indicative mode.

Thank you :rolleyes:

Not an easy question to answer.
Probably a few thousand, by the time this sight was made, the Central Sights were up and running, and became the main saleable sight well into the 2000's, even today the bulk of the target sights used in Australia are Centrals or clones of the same.

Hello I was given some items from my grandfathers estate many years ago and only just rediscovered them. Amongst the items I found the attached items. I don’t know much about them. Can anyone provide any information on them. He left a note with them but it doesn’t mean much to me. Thanks. MUES sights. I’m unsure of how to post photos here.