What do the experts think about this rifle? (Sorry if this has already been discussed)
British P14 sniper WWI Winchester not enfield : Curios and Relics at GunBroker.com
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What do the experts think about this rifle? (Sorry if this has already been discussed)
British P14 sniper WWI Winchester not enfield : Curios and Relics at GunBroker.com
Looks good and is priced fairly.
Regards.
Jim
way to high price,not ww1 condition as stated. no volly sights.--charles
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but if it were mine and i was selling well ofcorse the price would be fine.--charles
It is correct... volley sights were removed during conversion process ... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mannparks
Check the MKL in the Sniper Rifles Category (click here) for both examples including the BSA and PP scope versions, plus the Alexander Matin conversion ...
Check the Knowledge Library for extensive photo montages and all examples of P14 sniper rifles
No.3 MkI* (T) Rifle (BSA Scope) - (Pattern 1914 Mk1* W (T) Sniper Rifle)
(Manufactured by Winchester - Serial #W226763)
c/w Model 1918 (3x) Scope Serial #226763 (Mfg by B.S.A Guns)
c/w 1907 Pattern leather sling
No.3 MkI* (T) Rifle (PP Scope) - (Pattern 1914 Mk1* W (T) Sniper Rifle)
(Manufactured by Winchester - Serial #W196128)
c/w Model 1918 (3x) Scope (Mfg by Periscopic Prism Co. Ltd.)
c/w 1908 Web Pattern sling (Mfg in 1913 by M.E. Co.)
No.3 MkI* (T)A Sniper Rifle - (Pattern 1914 Mk1* W (T)A Sniper Rifle)
(Manufactured by Winchester) Serial #W209977
Sniper conversion by Alexander Martin (Glasgow) - Scope Mount Serial #209977
c/w Model 1916 (3x) Pattern 4 Scope Serial #71262
(Mfg by Aldis Bros. - Birmingham)
c/w 1907 Pattern leather sling
(Mfg by W.T.& B. Co. - 1918)
(Also marked J.J.M. - 1918)
Hope that helps ... :cheers:
BTW, the opening price is pretty fair for this type of piece ... :)
Regards,
Doug
You wouldn't be able to use the volley sights with that kind of scope mount anyway. Even it it was possible it would make absolutely no sense in putting a long range volley sight on a sniper rifle which is equipped with a scope.
I was curious as I couldn't remember about mine so I went and dug out my seven Pattern 1914 Ts and all had volley sights removed, WWI PPco, pre WWII Irish BSA scope contract and WWII Alex Martin offsets.
doug thanks, it was my understanding that the volly sight was removed by weedon for service into ww2 and not before.
also promo's comment, i understand that the v-sight would not be used whith a scope.but which came first the scope or the volly sight?---charles
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hey breakeyp, we sure would like to see those 14ts--charlesQuote:
Originally Posted by breakeyp
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where do you get your hands on one p14[f\---charles
:eek: Let me repeat that - you have SEVEN of those?Quote:
Originally Posted by breakeyp
Here's some pics of the workers at a Weedon Repair Depot, working on Pattern 1914 rifles. Although the pics are not dated, it is presumablly some time between the first and second world wars .......
http://photos.imageevent.com/badgerd...onper20P14.jpg(Click PIC to Enlarge)http://photos.imageevent.com/badgerd...eper20prep.jpg(Click PIC to Enlarge)http://photos.imageevent.com/badgerd...4per20prep.jpg
Regards,
Doug
badger ,so am i to asume that p14 with the volly sights still intact never made it to weedon,and if so why?--charles
Perhaps I'm confused as to your question.... :confused:
If so, my apologies ... :)
Original volley sight mounted on a Winchester P14 …Quote:
As quoted from an old post by Geoff "longbranch*" …
Volley sights from Lee-Enfield are very different than P14. Front pointer on P14 is much longer than Enfield. Rear P14 is different shape, described as "dog leg". The P14 parts will be stamped E,R or W. P14 volley sights are very scarce and expensive, at least when you're looking for them. They were officially removed between the wars so a P14 with out them is technically "correct" although examples that still have theirs are very desirable.
http://photos.imageevent.com/badgerd...20_Medium_.JPG(Click PIC to Enlarge)http://photos.imageevent.com/badgerd...20_Medium_.JPG(Click PIC to Enlarge)http://photos.imageevent.com/badgerd...20_Medium_.JPG
http://photos.imageevent.com/badgerd...20_Medium_.JPG(Click PIC to Enlarge)http://photos.imageevent.com/badgerd...20_Medium_.JPG(Click PIC to Enlarge)http://photos.imageevent.com/badgerd...20_Medium_.JPG
Regards,
Doug
badger, i guess what i'm trying to figure out is why did some p14 escape having the volly sights removed?--charles
As the British disliked the P14 (not British made ;) ) it did not see that many front use. They preferred to give it to the Home Guard or sell/lend/donate it to other countries where they would have escaped the *-conversion. And I guess they didn't carry home every rifle they were using in the war.
Worth another mentioning: the Pattern 1913 also had the volley sight, but it wasn't intended for testing. So they just put it on the rifle with a short arm (never compared it but I guess it might be the short SMLE volley dialer) and no scale on the dialer plate:
http://photos.imageevent.com/badgerd...lepromo/32.jpg
mannparks, would you show us pictures of your P14 snipers?
I honestly don't know ... :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by mannparks
MKL entry for Pattern 1913 (.276) Trials Rifle (Mfg by R.S.A.F. Enfield)
http://photos.imageevent.com/badgerd...20_Medium_.JPG(Click PIC to Enlarge)http://photos.imageevent.com/badgerd...20_Medium_.JPG(Click PIC to Enlarge)http://photos.imageevent.com/badgerd...20_Medium_.JPG
Regards,
Doug
If you want pictures of my stuff---see Skennerton's Lee Books. Once upon a time British was cheap and I felt they would be a good investment.
Attachment 28319Attachment 28321Attachment 28320promo,when i get a sniper i sure will post a pic. but unless some thing changes with my income, that may be awile.-----charlesQuote:
Originally Posted by Promo
this is the best i can do, my p 14Attachment 28320
Sorry, my fault. Mixed up the names as with the quotes. I ment breakeyp. But nice looking P14, I love it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mannparks
Seems like a reasonable assumption.
According to Stratton, the WRS procedure started in 1939. So quite simply, Weedon never got round to treating all P14s, thanks to the serious interruption from 1939-45, which a) probably made it logistically impossible (or at least impractical) to recall all P14s in existence, even if considered necessary, and b) after some time the WRS procedure may have lost priority as P14s were relegated to "backup" status and it was judged that enough had been through WRS to fulfill all future needs.Quote:
Originally Posted by mannparks
:wave:
Patrick
Seven!! i used to have two of the BSA M1918 scopes, one matched to the rifle and another with a matching carrying case but mismatched to the rifler. i thought i was doing good :)Quote:
Originally Posted by breakeyp
Regards,
Jim