Standard Products carbine - trying to verify components as correct.

Hi Folks,

I have a Standard Products carbine that I had rebuilt a few years back to ensure it was safe to shoot and as a restoration rifle, I think it is mostly correct for it's manufacture and serial range but would like verification help from you. It is my intent to have it as close to 'correct' as possible and only containing parts that were legitimatly available for that maker during the year of issue.

I have inventoried it and the below listed component markings were found. My question is what, if any, of my current parts would not be correct for the rifle given the serial number and Manufacture, and if one is wrong, what should be there instead?

Thanks for you help! :D


https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...CIMG1533-1.jpg

Standard Products M1 Carbine - SN 2075814

Recoil Plate - 'Standard Products' and 'SW'

Reciever - STD.PROD. on reciever left side low on reciever '9'

Barrel - behind front sight 'Marlin' (I read that Marlin supplied barrels to SP as a subcontractor and was used in limited quantities in ww2)
On barrel top 'P'
on barrel bottom- looks like 'Calist A VT' , on barrel top rear '3'
on barrel rear right side 'M' (or maybe its '14')

Stock - low wood, no M2 cutout, crossed cannons on butt, S-HB in sling well

Hand Grip - I have 2 different onses. both 2 rivet - SJ on one, S-Hb on the other

Front Sight - 'N' on top between blades

Rear Sight = flip site, 'S' on side

Slide - Bottom '8 3'

Barrel band - type 1 unmarked

Mag release - 'SW'

Bolt - Flat - marked on lug face '11' with 'S' underneath it

Safety - push style, didnt remove but appears to be not visibly marked

Extractor - NA - didnt inventory

Firing pin -NA - didnt inventory

Trigger houseing - Rt side front '2 2-A', right side rear 'S'

Hammer - 'SW'

Sear - 'SW -N'

Trigger spring shaft - not marked

Trigger - SHB (or SHR)

Front Barrel Band Retainer Spring - not marked

Butt Plate - very small 'S-SB' or 'S-S3'

Take pictures of the components and post them on here. Members like to see pictures. Looks like you have a lot of correct parts, and is probably import stamped.

Why would you think this was an import?

That "Calist A VT" is actually CA Inc, VT (Century Arms) That is an import stamp.

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Originally Posted by Bill Hollinger

That "Calist A VT" is actually CA Inc, VT (Century Arms) That is an import stamp.

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Thanks, I had the barrel replaced as part of the rebuild and that is what they put on. I will contact them and have it changed out to a proper barrel!

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Originally Posted by jismail

Thanks, I had the barrel replaced as part of the rebuild and that is what they put on. I will contact them and have it changed out to a proper barrel!

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That could be big dollars.

They used a barrel that had come off an imported carbine some time in the past. The import marked barrels do not have the value of an unmarked one. You need an Underwood barrel dated around 11-43 or 12-43.

Stay away from Riverbank.................. :nono:

Very nice looking carbine from what we can see of it.

DITTO what Charlie said... Stay FAR away from Riverbank/ABCLeigh!

I hope the people who replaced your barrel will accommodate you. Bruce is correct about the barrel they used being much less desirable, and if they know anything about carbines they should have known it is.

As Rustship said, please take some close-up (macro) photos of the parts you can see. Particularly the barrel band and rear sight.

I'll go out on a limb here, the sling doesn't appear "correct"

sling looks like the post WW2 olive drab type.

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Originally Posted by LeagleEagle

sling looks like the post WW2 olive drab type.

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Thanks for pointing that out. I thought the only item of interest on the sling was the type of tab used, ie horse shoe verse full. What is correct sling type for 1943, kahki colored canvas, OD, or leather or something else. Do you have a supplier to purchase one from?

It would probably be khaki colored, or 'O.D. #3' in the military designation with 'C' tips, or 'horseshoe' as you said. There were some olive drab (OD #7) slings, mostly later on. The color for slings was just as it was for all web gear in WWII - early gear was predominately OD#3, and later gear was OD#7 but it wasn't set in stone and manufactures used whatever they had available.

Fakes /reproductions are predominant with the original WWII C-tip slings that are on the market. Ebay, gunbroker, etc are full of fakes being described as authentic, and some of the fakes are getting harder to distinguish when only looking at photos even if you have a lot of experience.

I'd buy from someone you know or trust such as a forum member if you can find someone who has one to sell and expect to pay in the $75 to $100 range or a little more depending on condition and if it has a date/mfg stamp. You might try our WTB section to let people know that you're looking for one.

Hey Harlan,
That info is worth a Thank You....

Charlie-painter777

Thanks buddy.

MAN, I can't tell you how nice it is for you having the time to get back on the forums again Charlie! :thup:
(It just wasn't the same without you here!)

~ Harlan

Here are some additional pics:

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...CIMG1708-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...CIMG1700-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...CIMG1706-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...CIMG1704-1.jpg


https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...CIMG1680-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...CIMG1684-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...CIMG1678-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...CIMG1682-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...CIMG1687-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...CIMG1675-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...CIMG1672-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...CIMG1686-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...CIMG1685-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...CIMG1670-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...CIMG1697-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...CIMG1692-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...CIMG1691-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...CIMG1690-1.jpg

I also checked the sling and it has a closed tab and what looks like MRTstamped on it with a date i cannot read stamped below that.

I was looking for more pictures. Close ups on your parts markings before saying anything about them. Rebuilds have all different era of parts. It is more likely to see a D clip on a carbine now instead of a C clip sling. If nothing else worn out from use over time and replaced with what was at the surplus store.

Here is an picture of some slings I have for you to see markings, no markings, later D clip versions.

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...ine00412-1.jpg

I currently have the second from the bottom. I assume I need one of the ones on the top?

Did you do the restoration on this or did you have someone else do it?

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Originally Posted by Rustship

Did you do the restoration on this or did you have someone else do it?

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I had someone else do it. Miltech Arms

Just my opinion, but the rear sight, the butt Plate, and the bolt markings dont quite look right. Just my opinion, some othere members will answer up. Just curious, did it have a flip sight before you sent it to them? and a type 1 band?

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Originally Posted by jismail

I currently have the second from the bottom. I assume I need one of the ones on the top?

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The second one from the bottom would be fine jismail. I agree with Jim now that I've seen close-ups. Just by having all the parts parked the same including the blued parts, it looks like a carbine would look fresh after a post-war rebuild, and I wouldn't spend a lot to get an original C-tip sling. A mix of parts are indicative of a rebuild too and the D- tip would be as correct as anything. Plus, you already have the D-tip. The Mildew Resistant Treatment stamp on your sling means it's authentic military too.

Thanks for all the responces, I appreciate your expertise. So getting back to my original question, given the listing of parts with the maker stamps on them in my origninal post, are there any parts with mfgr stamps listed that are not correct to be included in a Standard Products rifle?