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Are they serious? This isn't true, is it?
Why not?
Looks tacticool to me.
A perfect example of taking a rifle worth 500 and spending 300 on it to make it worth 200 (if that). Anyone who has tried one of the Columbian 30-06 carbines will know that the new barrel length will, literally, make it a pain to shoot. And it's a pain to look at.
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Patrick
filth, utter filth
i like it...bet its flame thrower as well.
they didnt ruin anything, replacement stock set, and a barrel, she back to shape...
You must be reading my mind..lolQuote:
Originally Posted by chuckindenver
i have restored much worse....much worse
Wow ! a grenade launching sight - what a find!
I see these kind of jobs done on old milsurps back in the 50's and 60's and think it's just sad, but they were cheap guns back then.
Doing it today is just a crime to me when I see this done. You can put it back together but it'll never be original again. I know everyone has their own ideas but I just hate it when any antique makes it all of these years in original condition and then gets butchered by someone to make a few extra dollars.
Well that's what I don't understand. Surely it would be worth more in original condition? Unless, of course, there was a serious defect at the front end of the barrel (bent? bulged?), and this carve-up was seen as a desperate way of making something shootable out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harlan
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Patrick
Now that does make some sense Patrick! I'll bet you're right. (I knew we kept you around here for something) ;)
If it had a bulged barrel from an obstruction and maybe even broken stock too it would have been a throw away or cost more money for parts than it was worth.
Turn it into a Planet of the Apes flame throwing beast and people are bidding on it.
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Originally Posted by Harlan
I once saw a Carl Gustav M96 that was bulged like an onion a couple of cm behind the foresight. I mean that - approx. doubled diameter! On your side of the pond, I have little doubt that it could have been turned into a carbine. Over here it was just scrap. But I was impressed that the barrel had not split - it must have been excellent steel (in fact, it was, and the Swedes knew what they wanted, even delivering the material for the first Mauser-made series) and perfectly symmetrical in its grain structure.
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Patrick
M1917 Tanker anyone?
Instead of the grenade sight attachment, they could have put a saddle ring there and called it the m1917 Mounted Cavalry model.
This rifle would be a great candidate for a lamp stand tho', give your man cave that extra militia look. Hehe, be kinda cool, you wrap your hand around it and click the trigger to turn it off instead of pulling the little chain thingy. To change the bulb, you work the bolt, and it lowers the shade for you. The safety switch doubles as a dimmer switch.
The ideas are limitless.
But - I'm glad my only m1917 is the doughboy model. Now if I can just get this durn m1907 sling mounted. One of the copper rivets wasn't fully seated and won't go through the sling swivel.
Stop your belly aching. Unless it was something rare, to each his own. Customizing a firearm is no differant then customizing a car, mc, boat, house, etc. I like it & so do others, or they wouldn`t be bidding on it. It`s one of a kind.
Well, to each his own indeed and it's over $400 now. This may start a new craze and all the kids will start choppin' milsurps for individuality.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...28706728-1.jpg
The grenade launcher site really makes it though.
It does have a certain 'Movie Gun' look to it. Looks like it should have came out of an old Twilight Zone.
In the episode "Two" with Elizabeth Montgomery and Charles Bronson, Elizabeth appeared to carry a cut down M1 rifle.
I love watching the old Twilight Zone episodes, Malygris! Watched them on the local channel when I was a kid, and they have marathons now on cable here once in a while on holidays. (Probably do everywhere)
My wife loves them too and when they have marathons we just keep it on the channel all day, but I don't remember the one with Bewitched on it. Will look for it next time and see if I can spot the carbine.
I still like your idea of the lamp with all the features you dreamed up! You may have seen it, but DaveN found an awesome and rare old BP rifle that had been made into a lamp many years ago, and he found it after the thrift store it was in was throwing it out. Great thread that's still going on months later and it's on it's 11th page now.
Found MUSKET in thrift store.
i like lil Carbines..mine doesnt have a gernade sight though..lolAttachment 28908
That's cute Chuck. I did one of those on a LE No1 Mk3. Turned out about perfect.
My eyes are burning. These people destroy history.
Wipe your eyes MeatMarket, it was probably a wreck anyway.
That it was "perfectly good" is an assumption for which we have no evidence whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeagleEagle
I have already suggested that it was quite possibly by no means "perfectly good" to start off with.
Wich brings me to the next point of respectful disagreement:
So is any wreck.Quote:
Originally Posted by OLDER THEN DIRT
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Patrick
Patrick I see your point. I'll give 'em the benefit of the doubt. I just hope it wasn't in good original condition before this.
Hey Patrick, you took that (IT`S ONE OF A KIND) out of text. What I said sort of was that you can buy a stock 1917 anywhere anytime, but you can`t buy one like that anytime, which is a one of a kind custom gun. I`ve never saw a one of a kind 1917, unless it was a custom sportized (bad word) 1917.
OK Older Than Dirt, only teasing;)
If you liked that, take a look at what I just posted under "Bubba strikes again" on the Lee Enfield forum!
Even better - or worse - depending on how you take it!
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Patrick
Patrick, I had a couple of those 303`s. I bought them back about 1958-59 & paid $10.00 a peice for them. They were good shooters, but I just never liked them. I sold them about 3 years ago for $100.00 each. A good invesment I`d say for something i didn`t like. LOL
I don't know why anyone would do that. I have a perfectly good, pretty, apparently new 1917. Still has green preservative paint on it.
It is in such condition I don't want to shoot it!
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Originally Posted by RodericusRex
Are you sure that is paint? Or was it reparkerized at some time? I believe grease on top of parkerizing can look very green.
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Patrick
Hate to bring this back up, but damn that thing sold for a lot. I think it's kind of neat, of course I would prefer the original though.
Sad very Sad to destroy a piece of history.
Attachment 29360all you guys crying about the guy destroying history?? i could bring that rifle back to shape in an afternoon, and even the best so called expert would never know...
heres a pic of a Winchester that really had its history destroyed... FYI: more of these rifles sit at the bottom of the ocean then we will ever know, thpusands sit in scrap yards in Aisia rusting away, thousand of them are in collections, or offered at gunshows, GB, AA ect..one guy installing a short barrel and a cut down stock doesnt destroy history....Uncle Sam and a blow torch does.
Chuck, I`m with you on what you are saying about this subject.
dont take it the wrong way...im all about an original unrestored rifle, but, being someone who restores, builds and reapirs vintage weapons, i get the whole dont change the history speach all the time.
i like a nicely restored weapon if done right , as much as a nice original.
but it doesnt bother me to see a modified example, however...i looked at a rare IP M1 carbine that some Jackwagon ground the rear sight dove tail off, then welded a scope base on it...just shook my head and walked away.
Couldn't have said it better chuck.
Too many people get caught up in the romantics of it all. What will the next few generations do when the current service rifles become collectable? Will they be able to tell the difference between original or not, that many mods done nowadays that it would be hard to tell then what is or isn't. How will they be bale to restore to original?
You are dead right about all the numbers lost and or destroyed due to bad storage or just pure lack of interest or seeing a dollar in the scrap or fence post value.
It is very nice to see an original or restored rifle but it is just one of many around the world.
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Ned
Ned, there's bucklys chance of our current service rifles being available here, unless you are starting a new political party, happy new year.
agreed, id bet that they all get captain crunched for sure... the only weapons that might,,,and thats a big might be available will be the Remington bolt actions, and the Beretta pistols.
anything else will likely be cut up and scrapped...
i think that all surplus should be sold off to the highest bidder, and the money put towards our national dept... wait.,.that would make since...never mind.
One way of looking at is. For every one they butcher it ads just a little more value to ours.
I just put an Eddystone sporter on lay away. Quite odd since it has been re-barreled with a Sako Finnbear barrel of only 20" length and was re-chambered in 7mm Rem Mag. Oddly enough it also still retains a grenade sight. I just love the way the action cycles. But first order of business is a new long barrel and I want to neck up the chambering to either 8mm or 9.3mm.
Interesting diversity of opioion in the posts, Here is my 2 cents.
While I can appreciate the gunsmiths art sporterizing a milsurp I still cringe a bit when I see one . The pictures of barge loads of Arisakas being dumped in to Tokyo harbor or Garands M14s falling under the torch, I have no words to express that feeling. My vote, preserve what can be preserved or restore if that suits your style. Value is not the issue to me. The legacy is.
But sporterizing also demonstrates what the designer of the weapon had in mind delving into the possibilities of his weapon. It is nearly a crime to limit an Eddystone action to 30-06. There are barge loads of decaying 1917's that will never see the light of day except for the interest of people modifying them.
mate point me in the direction of those barges and I'll take the lot!!Quote:
Originally Posted by dannytoro1
Where are they?
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Ned
deap in the bottom of the ocean,, or a couple of the Great lakes.... my grandfather worked on a Bardge that would travel out to the middle of one of the great lakes...full of weapons..then dump em in...jump on in lets go for a swim.. rusty globs of junk by now.
you would have better luck travling to SE Aisia, iv seen pictures of metal scrap yards with piles of rifles, from M16,s to BAR,s Garands, , they had 17,s stacked like cord wood like a fence line..
just doing some research and found that Italy destroyed over 10,000 M1 Garands to make the United Nations Happy...make you wanna join the UN dont it.
I'm surprised it made it to $750 :eek:. I'd have a hard time paying the starting bid of $50 for it.