I have just acquired a No4(T) "lookalike" which is fitted with an Italian made No32 Scope. I can find no references to this scope......so any ideas out there?
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I have just acquired a No4(T) "lookalike" which is fitted with an Italian made No32 Scope. I can find no references to this scope......so any ideas out there?
I had to fix one once that had a broken/damaged OG glass. I machined a UK OG housing to fit and the optics were up the creek and the image couldn't be focussed/adjusted no matter what I tried. Eventually it all came good but only after having replaced the original optical system with No32 lenses throughout.
Maybe Warren can pass some comments as I understand that he has compared the lead screw and other threads but I seem to remember that after a few hours I was pulling my hair out
Drop me a PM and we can set up an email link and I probably can help you. Do you have a problem with it? They all seem to have the same inherent flaw.
Cheers,
If it's Italian the scope should wear markings like this:
€dit: Please post pictures of the rifle as the Italian No. 4 T's weren't marked with a T.
Let us in on the secrets of the inherent fault then Warren! It'll aid prospective buyers too..........
An italian gun store has an Enfield No.4 T . I believe that Promo took the picture there: the scope has the same serial number. And the scope itself has the manufacturing data: 1951. In Italy price for rifle+scope+mounts+transit equipment+ scope box is 3000 Euro...
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armi
This is the link to rifle and scope. There're many other photos, if someone want to see them.
I think the first thing is to determine if the scope in question is indeed an Italian scope or one of the current crop of repro's. I saw some rather skillfully aged and distressed examples of the repro scopes at Beltring in the UK this summer, and I must give the whoever is doing the work credit....they are good!!! Even to the verdigris from the leather caps, on the tube.
With some better photo's, other than are shown on the ARMI site, I/we can probably tell you if it is a good one or one of the repro's. Which by the way are not bad once they are "tarted up" a bit. I'll post some pictures of one of the repro scopes stripped down as I have one on the bench right now...
It is exactly as Promo's photo......the optics are good. I need to adjust for zero but because of arthritic fingers it is difficult even with the right tool. I was going to shoot it for zero at 100 yards and then go into Fultons and get them to do the adjustments.
At present, on maximum elevation, it is hitting around the 500 yard mark on the Zero Range target.
The secret with Mk1's and 2's is to just nip up the lead screw locking ring - just sufficient for it to hold the lead screw secure while you rotate the drum but loose enough so that you can hold the leadscrew in position while you rotate the drum to zero of fine adjust.
Some of them are clamped down so tight, I think the owners are used to clamping juggernaut wheel nuts
Whats the story with these Italian Scopes, I saw one a while ago in a gun dealers near Naples. As I have never heard of them before i gave it a wide birth as i thought it was a repro?
Italy was using No. 4's among their Navy, they had thousands of those (and obviously some of them were converted to sniper rifles). They received them under the NATO contract from Canada.
€dit: follow this Link to see pictures like these:
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../Enf4_00-1.jpg
Interesting that some of the No4s are DPs that have been "barred out" - i.e. returned to service......Quote:
Originally Posted by Promo
Now that is a great link, would love to have a look through that lot and take some home, pity I can't read Italian.
Well, that should do it:Quote:
Originally Posted by muffett.2008
Google Translator - at least to get the sense of it.
Great read the article, very interesting. If you see people refering to shutters in future, you should know what they are on about.
I have just been told that at the end of WW11 the Italians bought the plans,patterns and the rights to manufacture the No32 scope. The British War Office were grateful for the money I think. The Italians thought highly of the No4 Lee Enfield and their navy had quite a number, including No4(T)s.....
Wow, theres some really nice original guns there, that early shield Lithgow is really nice!
Also italian infantry used enfield rifle. A friend of mine carried a No.4mk1 in 1979 during his duty ...