Did US soldiers ever carry M1 Carbine ammo pouches on their belt? Was there a separate pouch for this other than the buttstock pouch?
And...
Did the Thompson mag pouches carry 3 or 5 30rd magazines?
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Did US soldiers ever carry M1 Carbine ammo pouches on their belt? Was there a separate pouch for this other than the buttstock pouch?
And...
Did the Thompson mag pouches carry 3 or 5 30rd magazines?
Twenty round TSMG magazines were carrier in a five cell pouch
thirty round TSMG magazines were sometimes carried in a three cell pouch
there were local pouches fabricated by riggers
thirty round TSMG and M3 magazines were carrier in pouches in photos below:
Only one type of carbine 15 rd pouch could be used on the stock
All M1 carbine pouches are meant to be carried on the belt. The first style just happened to fit on the stock as well.
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Thanks guys, I'm trying to put together a few authentic kits from the era. No repro parts. It seems to be hard to find any original TSMG pouches. Does anyone know what the "mussette bag" was used for? Was it intended to replace the M1928 haversack?
They're fun to put together, MeatMarket. You can put together all sorts of combinations. I have three sets. Two started with M1928 packs with suspenders and then added early cartridge belts etc, and the third a Marine pack and gear.
As above, the carbine 'stock pouches' were never intended for use on a stock - the snap on them was intended to snap to one of the snaps on the pistol belt so it stayed in the same place.
Below are some photos of the sets. It's ingenious in a way, because there almost always seems to have a corresponding attachment point for every way it's configured.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...1/12/133-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...030Small-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...028Small-1.jpg
This is the Marine set.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...017Small-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...opySmall-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...020Small-1.jpg
I used three shovel types for the sets - I tried to get a different varity for everything. It's pretty much endless what you can put together.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...Shovels1-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...1280x768-1.jpg
Thanks for these photos, they're a great help to see all the parts. I recently got an M1910 cartridge belt and have an M1910 haversack (both dated pre 1918) on the way to start my WWI kit. I got a Garand belt and I'm bidding on an M1928 haversack to go with it. I also have a "mussette bag" on the way. Yesterday I got a pistol belt, suspenders, M1911 pouch, pick/mattock pouch, canteen w/pouch (metal cap), and first aid pouch w/ sealed bandage (all dated between 1941 and 1944). By the way, my canteen has a few small deposits of something inside it. Soap and water wont cut it though, do you know how I could get it thoroughly cleaned out?
Also, do you know the function of the lower pack carrier that attaches to the bottom of the M1928 haversacks?
Here are the two types of 15 round magazine carbine pouches, one on the left will fit the stock
To clean the inside of the stainless steel canteen, you can use a handful of steel shot(from shotgun shells) and a dollop(that's right) of Javex powder or Bon Ami or any other abrasive bathroom cleanser. Just enough water goes in to lube everything and shake in a rotational fashion to clean. Mucho washing to get the cleanser out, and repeat until shiney and new looking. Use lots of shot and it works better.
Do you know how many of these pouches a soldier would normally carry on his belt?Quote:
Originally Posted by RCS
Will a dollop of AJAX work? That's pretty much all I'm familiar with when it comes to abraisive cleaners. And when you say lots of shot, just how much is that? And would it work the same with regular BB's instead of shot?Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
BBs would be fine, I have used lead shot but these people are likely to clain heresy if you do that. Ajax will work fine, I've used it too. A handful of shot, maybe a couple of shotglasses full would be about right. Lots of circular swishing and it will be fine.
The lower Pack carrier of the M1910 and M1928 haversacks were to carry the blanketroll/shelter half/pegs. Experience in WWI showed that wearing and moving about with the fully loaded haversack/pack carrier was very cumbersome and uncomfortable. probably, by WWII, you see just the upper portion haversack being used. I am very surprised that the US Army did not adopt packs
based on the double and single bag packs that were prominent during the American Civial War. With those packs, a variety of items could be carried inside, there was a flap opening at top...not the hook and strap affair of the M1910......and a blanket could easily be carried strapped to the top. I guess by time WWI came about, soldiers were not expected to have full marking gear, but just enough to last a few to several days in the field. The Marine Corps M1941 pack was very good......which I think the army did take note of when they designed a new pack in 1944/45.
I discovered the wealth of knowledge on olive-drab.com and did more research elsewhere. Recently I've made tremendous progress in putting together some kits from both wars. I have both M1910 and M1928 haversacks with pack carriers and cartridge belts, the M1928 has a Garand belt. Both have several accessories with more coming in the mail. I'm also waiting on my M1936 pistol belt and suspenders so I can attach the mussette bag I bought. The one I have though was an earlier model that doesn't have the grommets on the front to attach a shovel carrier so I'll have to hang one on the belt. I also just yesterday got a WW2 era mountain pack with frame. It's in good condition except for the leather straps on the outside pockets which are all intact, but are very dry, cracked, and fragile. Was the mountain pack intended to have a waist strap? I didn't see where one could be attacked, but the pack I got did come with an extra canvas strap with a clip on one end and a D ring on the other, but I could't identify it's function. It wasn't attached to anything. Without a waist strap, the mountain pack is not a very comfortable pack to wear.
I agree with this statement. The M1910 and M1928 packs were neat ideas at the time I suppose. They would have been a better success if they had zippers instead of the straps which were tedious to open and close.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason60chev
the Marines had a web belt (the one that goes on your pants) that had snaps all around it to put carbine pouches on it. From the meterial I have read that most peole that carried a carbine in WW II carried a minimal amount of ammo usally a max of 4 clips. Remember that the carbine was issued to people that really had a job that required them to carry other things like radios aor a ammo bearer it was designed to lighten thier load from carrying a 12 Lb grand.
In the cleaning canteen subject I use hot water 1-2 drops of soap and playground sand. swish it around and rinse. lead can leave bad stuff behind sand is a good abraisive.
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The trouser belt with the snaps on it was for demolition charges not for carbine pouches. I know it looks like it could,but they are in the wrong place for that.
Looking forward to photos of your gear sets when you get them done MeatMarket :thup:
GI's universally hated the M1928 pack. By design, it was laid out flat to load everything in it, then rolled up to whatever size it turned out to be for whatever it held and tied up before putting the straps around their shoulders to carry it - To access gear inside, the reverse had to be done every time. I'm also surprised they didn't design a new pack system for WWII because everyone hated the 1910 pack that was used in WWI which was the same basic design. The pack tail was almost like an afterthought and you can see from period photos it was seldom used.
The integrated suspenders on the pack worked well though - they attached to a variety of whatever ammo belt was needed and they helped to distribute the load of the belt and the gear that could be attached to the belts.
Below is a pre-WWII training photo of the pack with a tail attached
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...1Medium1-1.jpg
I think I did mention steel shot. Check Post#8. Not lead.Quote:
Originally Posted by gijills
I'll keep this in mind then when building my kit for carbine configuration. I have a M1936 web belt and suspenders for it coming in the mail. I suppose I'll just use two pouches.Quote:
Originally Posted by gijills
I definitely will. It's almost complete. I even have a bacon tin and condiment can. Mess kit w/pouch and utensils are on the way. I need to get a blanket too to put in the carrier. Greatwar.com actually has original blankets from the war period. I also just got a bolo knife to hang on it too. I know they weren't issued to everyone, but I figured I'd maximize the loadout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harlan
I'm going to pick up some steel BB's and a can of Ajax today.Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
Sorry I missed the steel part. just saw shot. . Another note on canteens if you need a new cork the cork out of a champaine bottle works good cut it trim it and super glue it in.
@ gigills: Good tip, I'll need to do that too.
@ Harlan: Did you notice the soldier in the photo has his shoulder straps snapped to the bottom of the pack carrier instead of his belt?