Here's another weird uknown?

What on earth is this? It has a tip up un-rifled barrel. A grip safety like a 1911. no numbers or marks but you can make out WEINTE xx (looks like a partial name) in the area that looks rubbed out? I don't know if this is Milsurp or not but if any one would know it would be someone on Milsurps.https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...istol023-1.jpghttps://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...istol024-1.jpghttps://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...istol022-1.jpgI thought flair pistol though it's small and about .30 to maybe 380 cal. Small shot Gun? story was brought back from Vietnam?

Never saw one of those, Dave.

I love the P-1 you got. I have one of them and they're great guns. I also have a matching P-38 but have never fired it. No reason to when the P-1 is exactly like it and price is so small. I think the DA-SA design is very cool. I have a couple of modern Walthers and they still have the same design. If it fails to fire in the semi auto mode, you just pull the trigger ang and it strikes the bullet again. I had a misfire once at the range and the second strike fired ust fine. Good back-up design for a firefight.

Thanks Harlan I never thought of that. dave

Any chance this is a Merrill prototype?

Looks like the barrel tips up for loading single shot. While the grips look jungle made, looks like too much machining to be Vietnamese. Looks European.

The cogs are turning, and I have the best detectives on the case. I too thought it might be a proto type and it does look old and European.

Even if they're not worth much (Not saying this one isn't) I love finding these strange guns Dave.

Have you taken your new P-1 out and shot it yet? The action seemed a little strange to me at first after shooting my 1911A1 but I got used to it. You pull the slide to load the chamber and cock the hammer, and shoot it with a light pull on the trigger. You can empty the mag semi auto. You can pull the slide cocking the trigger and then put the hammer back down - and then you can pull the trigger through a long harder pull cocking and releasing the hammer like you would a revolver - every round after that is semi auto. The modern Walthers work the same way, but they don't have a safety. They're meant to be carried with one in the chamber and the hammer down so you have to have a harder deliberate pull for the first round like you would with a revolver and then it's a semi auto. They call it 'Anti-Stress' and it's supposed to make it be a more deliberate pull before you decide to shoot.

Just in case anyone is wondering what Harlan is referring to,this is the Manurhin P1 i picked up around Christmas. Along with this Berretta 96G Ceturion police gun that I added the wood grips to.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...istol013-1.jpghttps://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...istol010-1.jpghttps://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...istol007-1.jpg
I would have posted a thread but I knew these were ex-police guns and though they are cool they aren't Milsurp examples.

The P1 is just a post war made P38, and we aren't that strict Dave! ;)

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Originally Posted by Harlan

The P1 is just a post war made P38, and we aren't that strict Dave! ;)

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That's nice to know. Thanks

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Originally Posted by DaveN

It has a tip up un-rifled barrel.

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Is it perhaps intended as a flare pistol? Or as a starter pistol/bird scarer for firing 9mm blanks)?
Do not assume anything - check the bore diameter and post the result.

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Patrick

P.S: could the name be a badly scrubbed WEINBERG?

As 2 the mystery pistol. I 've never seen one along this pattern but I suspected it was a Vietnam Cao Dai, before I read of it supposedly coming out from there. For reference look at the 'Nam section of " Small Arms of the World" 1969 Edition page 720. This group copied most pistol, and guns were supposedly part of their religion, most of their efforts [copies] were more exacting, but they did take considerable liberties in their creations.

I would cosign Viet Nam. I have seen these in 7.62X25 Type "P". Hand made in local shops for the VC. Doug

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Originally Posted by DaveN

What on earth is this? It has a tip up un-rifled barrel. A grip safety like a 1911. no numbers or marks but you can make out WEINTE xx (looks like a partial name) in the area that looks rubbed out? I don't know if this is Milsurp or not but if any one would know it would be someone on Milsurps.https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...istol023-1.jpghttps://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...istol024-1.jpghttps://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...istol022-1.jpgI thought flair pistol though it's small and about .30 to maybe 380 cal. Small shot Gun? story was brought back from Vietnam?

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My thought is if it's VC then why a single shot?

I still say too much unnecessary precision machining for a VC pistol. This is a VC capture 1911A1 copy.

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...1/jtwjzc-1.jpg

DaveN, to put an end to the wild speculation, as amusing as it might be, how about getting a really good pic of that partially erased name and measuring the bore diameter, like I suggested? And look for any other marks, especially underneath the grips!

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Patrick

Will do. I saw it the other day and saw no markings at all ( even with the grips off ) I also tried to see if I could see any rifling at all and it looks smooth as can be. I will give it a better look this weekend as last time it was after a 12 hour shift and I was knackered.

Ps thanks JP for the nice photo (informative as always)