Sniper Rifles

:beerchug:Had one of those moments, you know the one's. Mindless staring at the tele, not enough fluff in the navel to make it worth defluffing, then POW. how many are there really?
Lee Enfield Sniper rifles that is, I think we have had about five on this forum since 01 Jan, a rough count of the last six months of 2011 gave me 10, is that old joke about them multiplying real?(now where can I find one of those T stamps?)
Has anyone been keeping track of the survivors? It's only the T's that we don't have full serial No. listings on, or do we?

Do you mean how many are there left?

BTW three survivors have been posted here today alone.

It would be fascinating to know how many had survived to this day, and I also wonder how many of the no32 scopes are still around.
It doesn't seem as if there was ever any kind of comprehensive list kept of those rifles converted originally, alas.
It's certainly nice to see all the ones which have been posted here of late though.

How about a "sound off" for members that have them ? It would at least be a start of an updated data base. I recall seeing a spreadsheet of No.32 scopes, including owners, a while back, but I do not think it included the rifle #. It may bring to light some interesting comparisons as well as providing fodder for the updated book that is in the works.

Just a small thought from my small mind.

"Calling all T owners"..

Would be very nice to have a sort of "data base" of the snipers with information on marks and any other traits usual and unusual . Maybe trends would appear that would make IDing a sniper easier if it wasnt the prototypical enfield. Just a thought.

This has been doen 'Son' in OZ has a sticky on teh forum for teh HT's. No.4 'T', L42 A1 and No.1 Mk3 HT here : 1x No.32 scope 1 x L1A1 scope and 1 x Pattern 18 scope.

Not such a hard task for the HT's as there were only a little over 1600 made, and all the serial numbers are available. I have specifics on very close to 200 rifles and /or scopes which is about 12% of production. There are quite a few things that can be noted about them, especially around the scopes and mounts themselves. I would imagine doing something similar for the No4T's would be a huge task because of the need to verify each and every one presented to start with, and then there being 20,000 odd of them out there.... Still, if someone wanted to compile a register of them here, start with serial numbers (which can be kept confidential if sent in by PM) and a tick sheet as to if they have the markings specific to the model as described in the bible, general comments on condition etc.... it would work as a database to help others confirm their rifles as they come along and hopefully participate as well.

Only 20,000, wow I think we have had that many through here since I joined.....well it seems like it.

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Originally Posted by muffett.2008

Only 20,000, wow I think we have had that many through here since I joined.....well it seems like it.

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IIRC correctly it was more like 25 or 26 thousand. PL will correct this i am sure.

Are you referring to English or Canadian No 4's or both? Including WWI era and WWII Aussie SMLEs?

Ed

The 'book that the main man wrote' states :
No4T's :
23,177 converted by H&H
1,403 converted by Efd
1,141 converted by Longbranch

Total 25,721

yeah, see what I mean.... compared to the Lithgow rifles they are pretty common. Tripping over them on the ground so to speak....

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Originally Posted by Alan de Enfield

The 'book that the main man wrote' states :
No4T's :
23,177 converted by H&H
1,403 converted by Efd
1,141 converted by Longbranch

Total 25,721

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The Long Branch totals are misinterpreted, the correct total should be @1588 according to Law's research.

I'm working toward 0.31%...
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almost 1% were in one room here in Oz a while back... one particular gent had three then aquired another 12 Longbranch T's. Unfortuanately I understand they are gone now.....

Ah......... but how is this total made up Lee Enfield. Are we talking about No4T's 'as defined' or No4 rifles fitted with telescopes. Not the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Peter Laidler

Ah......... but how is this total made up Lee Enfield. Are we talking about No4T's 'as defined' or No4 rifles fitted with telescopes. Not the same thing.

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Tssk, tssk,
It appears that the Canadian Army and SAL Long Branch (the manufacturer) considered the No4MkI*(T) equipped with the No32MkI(TP) to be a sniping rifle when they were manufactured. Who are we to disagree based on a subsequent re-evaluation by an interested 3rd party which was not an actual user? ;-)

The 1141 number is from the Dec 31, 1945 production returns. It is also skewed by the change in ownership of the Long Branch factory on Dec 31, 1945, from the Crown Corporation "Small Arms Limited" to the Jan 1, 1946 Crown Corporation "Canadian Arsenals Limited"...

Exactly the point I make Lee Enfield.............. And don't mince words here, exactly who might this interested 3rd party who wasn't an actual user be? And might I ask, what figure does your book give?