M1 Garand bolt

Hi all,
I am dealing to buy in Italy a Springfield Armory M1 Garand 30-06 rifle.
It' serial number is 5,4xx,xxx so it should be of the '50s
Barrel is SA F 6535488 11 54 MD 43
I checked all Drawing Numbers and they almost match but not the bolt
which is D28287-19SA A9 instead, it should be dated approximately 1945.
Do you think is still safe to shoot with a bolt which might be different if compared to the
6528287 original one for this rifle ?
Could it represent a danger 'cause of a different head space ?
Thank you.

You can check headspace yourself with gauges. I doubt there will be any problem because this rifle was probably checked and tested already. The bolt was likely put in by a former gov't armourer and it's most likely OK. They were all so close in tolerance that they were for the most part interchangeable.

Part swaps are the norm for an M1 during rebuild, the only thing to concern yourself with is the headspace, have it checked by a gunsmith or buy/borrow the gauges and do it yourself. It's always fun watching someone assemble a bolt the first time, the disassembly is the easy part.

If the bolt headspaces OK and is undamaged, yes, it would be fine to use. Garand bolts are interchangeable. The -19 bolt will fit later (and earlier) receivers. The 6528287 bolts were a later version that had engineering improvements. Functionally, the -19 bolt will be OK. The issue with headspace applies to any bolt/receiver combination no matter when the parts were made. I'd check headspace on any rifle I bought, even if all the parts match.

Another issue is your op rod spring. I'd replace any USGI op rod spring & install an Orion 7 op rod spring. The USGI springs sent typically found in M1s may be too short; worn (shiny spots) or rub marks; kinked or even broken. These springs wear out; the Army periodically replaced them.

Orion 7 makes the best replacements available and they are cheap. While you are at it, replace the clip latch spring. These two springs, when worn, are the most common cause of many malfunctions.

G28a, Operating rod spring, Orion7, 17-7 S-S

M1 Garand Parts

Thank you all of you for your good advises.
The rifle has been for sure checked at the exact moment it has been imported to Italy.
As for the spare parts, I will see what I can find here, most of USA stores cannot ship and send arm parts outside USA or to Italy 'cause of ITAR rules.

Thanks again.

Hi again.
This morning I bought my second SA M1 Garand.
It comes from Germany where it was probably imported directly from USA.

This is the part list Drawing Number and Heat.

Serial number : 5.453.xxx
Barrel : SA F6535448 11 54 MD 43
Stock : no marks
Receiver : F6528291
OpRod : 6535382 SA
Bolt : D28287-19 SA A-9 --> it can be dated from jun '45 to october '45, and it should be 6528287 instead.
Trigger group : 6528290 SA
Hemmer : SA C5546008

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If some of You has a bolt 652887-SA A13 or similar to sell, I can pay immediatly with PayPal a good price. Thank you.

A really fine one! I had a dealon a Garand but the guy who offered it to me wasn´t a fair player. Another one will come.

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Originally Posted by gunner

A really fine one! I had a dealon a Garand but the guy who offered it to me wasn´t a fair player. Another one will come.

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Thank you, gunner !
Better leave alone people who is not serious, especially with guns.

I have now 2 M1 Garand 30-06
My first M1 Garand I bought few months ago is WWII (Jun 1944)
Here are some pictures :

Serial Number 2,827,xxx
Barrel 1-SA 6 44
Stock SA GAW
Receiver D 28291 32
OpRod D35382 3 SA
Bolt D28287-12 SA S-B 7
Trigger Group D28290-14
Trigger C46025-1 SA
Hammer C5546008

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You need one more to stack arms, seriously you have a fine pair of M1's.

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Originally Posted by Sarge1998

You need one more to stack arms, seriously you have a fine pair of M1's.

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Thanks Sarge1998.
Can always use this SA M1A Super Match 7.62 Nato to stack arms :super:

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Originally Posted by Bizio

Thanks Sarge1998.
Can always use this SA M1A Super Match 7.62 Nato to stack arms :super:

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No "stacking swivel" on that M1 A, you will need to tie them together. Nice rifles all, but I really like the 1944. ( D Day, June 6, 1944)

You're perfectly right, Joe W. the '44 M1 Garand is a real "piece of History" :bow: ...

Here I am with my third M1 Garand.

It is an Italian M1 Garand cal. .308" Win model T1 which came out from Terni Armory Arsenal.
There are few pieces of the T1 model : it has the original barrel 30-06S replaced with a barrel chambered in .308" Win and it is of the same exact lenght so it can share all the spare parts including stock, handguards and oprod with the 30-06S model.
After the T1 model, Italian Terni Arsenal made the T2 model which uses original 30-06S barrels which have been cut of about 12 mm. to adapt them to different caliber.
The T2 model needs a different stock, handguards and a shorter oprod.

Here is the list of the drawing numbers and heat numbers.
Since the rifle came out from an arsenal, it is very difficult to find all exact parts togheter.

Serial number : 3,320,xxx --> end December '44
Receiver : A18 D28291 35 "FAET 64"
Barrel : FAT 7.62 m/m 1964 --> Same age
Bolt : D28287-12SA RE5B --> from March '42 to July '42 --> Earlier
Stock : FAT 64 --> Same age
OpRod : D35382 SA --> Spare part --> ?
Trigger case : D28290-WRA --> I must look for a SA one and replace the Winchester one.
Hammer : C46008-7 SA --> Same age

Here some photos

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I can finally stack arms :lol:

And where do you have my one?:dunno::lol:

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Originally Posted by gunner

And where do you have my one?:dunno::lol:

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No M1 Rifle yet ? :beerchug:
There are so many M1 Rifles on sale in Germany in very good conditions !
There is where I picked up mine of '54.

Bizio, your op rod on this last rifle isn't a replacement part, it's an early op rod that was modified. Thus no revision number.

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Originally Posted by browningautorifle

Bizio, your op rod on this last rifle isn't a replacement part, it's an early op rod that was modified. Thus no revision number.

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I had searched in a booklet and I misunderstood that.
Thank you, browningautorifle. :thup:

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Originally Posted by Bizio

No M1 Rifle yet ? :beerchug:
There are so many M1 Rifles on sale in Germany in very good conditions !
There is where I picked up mine of '54.

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Hope you haven´t payed those horrible prices some of them want to have!

Well, prices of M1 Garand are very expensive in Italy if you want to buy a rifle in good conditions.
I don't know current prices in Germany but I payed 1.400 euro for the '44 and a couple of hundred euro less for the '54 and the '64.
Is that too much ?

No, thats a average price for them.

This is the official 2011 pricing list of Terni Armory Arsenal, which is a National Armory.

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M1 Garand rifle are sold after you send them a request letter and you will probably get a rifle after 5 or 6 years from your request.
You cannot chose the rifle at all, so that if you get an old rusty model you have to keep that one.
T1 (the same I bought yesterday in a shop) and T2 models are sold at about 700 euro but without OpRod since are out of stock !
Crazy prices, so that in the local market the cost of a M1 Garand cannot be below 1.000 euro for sure.

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Originally Posted by browningautorifle

Bizio, your op rod on this last rifle isn't a replacement part, it's an early op rod that was modified. Thus no revision number.

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The D35382 SA op rods are neither early or modified. They are post war rebuild op rods, and were originally manufactured with the relief cut. They were not used on new production rifles.

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Originally Posted by latigo 1

The D35382 SA op rods are neither early or modified. They are post war rebuild op rods, and were originally manufactured with the relief cut. They were not used on new production rifles.

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That's exactly what I had read in my pdf document, they were given as spare parts only.
Same thing told me an Italian friend after I had posted detailed photos of my Op Rod
www.armietiro.it Leggi argomento - M1 Garand
Thanks.

I went to the range today to test my new M1 Garand T1 .308Win
I am not used to shoot rifles without a scope but I had anyway good fun shooting quick sequences of 8 rounds each time.
This is the result at 100 meters (110 Yards) of two groups of 8 rounds with M1 over a rest.

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I have used this realoding :

Vihtavuori N140 43.5 Grs, Sellier & Bellot FMJ 147 Grs, COL 70.5 mm (2.95"), Winchester case, CCI Large Rifle primer.

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Originally Posted by latigo 1

The D35382 SA op rods are neither early or modified. They are post war rebuild op rods, and were originally manufactured with the relief cut. They were not used on new production rifles.

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Yup, I have that info, if I'd cared to have looked closely. There I go...putting bad info into print! Lesson learned.

This is the pdf document I had found, it is in Italian but tables dont need translation, I think.
http://www.tiropratico.com/Roberto_M...o/garand_2.pdf

Wow they are having heavy prices for some items! The Moschetto 91/38 Da Cavalleria is at my gunsmith´s shop for 85 Euro´s! And it is in good shape.

Most of the prices are inflated for speculation :mad:
Just consider that before the Euro, in early '90s , a M1 Garand was sold by Terni Armory Arsenal at 300.000 Lire, about 300 DM

Mmmmhhhh that would have been a price after my taste! But those times are gone, sadly!

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Originally Posted by gunner

Mmmmhhhh that would have been a price after my taste! But those times are gone, sadly!

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For sure!
But if we consider that due to the inflaction rate in Italy from 1989 to 2010 300,000 Lire in 1989 are equivalent of about 600,000 Lire in 2010, which means, considering that in the real life 1,000 Lire = 1 Euro (and not the theoretical value of 1,936.27 Lire = 1 Euro), the M1 Garand should cost today about 600 Euro.
This was indeed the sale price of M1 Garand up to last year but during 2011 the price doubled without any reason and logical explaination ...
I think the same process involved also Germany.