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I've been looking at this rifle for a couple of months and wondering about its authenticity and history. I've read a few of the threads related to this type rifle and am intrigued by it. The pictures are not REAL good but give a sense of what it may be -
Thanks as always
Steve
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Not an expert here but none of mine have that little extra wood on the comb
Yes - I know that it has been carved by one of the previous owners - I should have mentioned that in the prior post - Thanks for mentioning it -
Looks like a normal No5 thats been fitted with Mk2 wood. I guess you'd have to take the trigger guard and forend off to see whats really inside.
He let me take the forend off but the picture didn't come out of the barrel markings. I think he would have let me pull the trigger guard but I'll only do that if I have the money in my hand to buy it. That way if it looks right I can buy it.
What does the ROF (F) stand for? And the serial number appears to have been ground off yet the numbers on the side and bolt do match.
2/45 is the date. ROF (F) is Royal Ordnance Factory Fazackerley. The serial number is in the right place. It looks like a legitimate carbine. Although the stock has been alterred.
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Thank you - do you think $500 is a fair price for it?
No. Because the stock isn't right. I got mine for $350, but the bolt doesn't match. I think $350-400 is a more reasonable price, but it is an early carbine.
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Looks legit. Correct markings and cuts on the reciever and barrel, hole in the bolt handle. If the lower forestock has no metal tip it is correct. Numrich and Sarco have the buttstock. Is it import marked?
Where would I find a mark that would say it had been imported?
It's the big stamp that sayd ENGLAND or small marks saying something like 303.CAI.NY or JJCO.NY.NY. Have a look under the muzzle or at the edge of the woodwork.
Thanks newcastle - I wish those pictures had turned out as there are some small markings in both those areas. I checked both sarco and numrich and neither one has butt stocks for sale. sarco has a complete replacement furniture set for $125 plus the ride. I checked gunbroker and carbines with modified furniture is not selling for much. One went for under $200. Even pretty nice ones are not going for much more that $350-400. Well I'm a bit miffed about it - I was really starting to drool over this but now I'll keep looking. I told the gent at the shop I'd bring back information as to what it was and what it was worth.
So I'll do that for him. Thanks all for the assist -
Be well,
Steve
I paid $219 for one with numbers matching on bolt, receiver and stock. Only non matching is the magazine. That was a year and a half ago or so. $500 for one without a complete original stock is way out of line.
I agree Aragorn243. I took the info back to him, as well as what they are selling for, and he just smiled. Apparently his partner took it in trade for a really nice lever action 45 long Colt rifle. So he's hoping for an unknowing person to come in and fall in love with it. No harm no foul - - I'll find one.
Need more photos. Bolt, receiver, forestock S/N should match. Unlikely that magazine will, but who knows? Barrel is genuine No5, ground Knox form is the clue. Should have intact front sight/flash hider/bayonet mount. New replacements are available. Buttstock has been modified into a "pistol" grip, and badly. Hard to find, esp. with matching wood. Took me a long time. Did it come with sling hoop on RH side of buttstock? Rear sight s/b marked with an "F" and have only some ranges marked on rack. Forestock for 1945 may or may not have metal cap, probably not. Latest models(1947, some 1946 had them. 1945??) Perhaps other members will know. Price is WAY out of line for modifed stock. $200-250 more like it.
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ROF (F) is the factory, Stands for Royal Ordnace Factory (Fazakerly)
It was the only place they were made, about 225,000 total
Fazakerley the only place they made No5's? I was sure that I'd worked on many, many BSA/M47 marked No5's in my time. Maybe I was mistaken as it was a few years ago now............
I'm STILL trying to get an original No. 5 butt stock from SARCO. They have so far shipped me two reproduction stocks, which I have returned for exchange. Nice repros, but not original as advertised. Last time, I sent them a photo of the butt end of an original and a repro. So, maybe they'll get it right this time. Front wood they sent me was original, though.
GordP, your thread 15 above......... Just checked in our main armoury and it looks like there are at least two Army issue, still on charge and definately not fake BSA/M47 marked No5 rifles. So there's probably more out there too. Anyone else got one (or two........)
Hi
There was about 81,329 BSA No5`s produced so should be 1 or 2 more still out there
Ah, that's cleared that one up! So it's Fazakerley AND BSA Gord
Both of mine are M47 BSAs, ones a used 45 and the other is a new unissued 47.
Yep, ours are BSA. Just been used on the range this morning too! Maybe Gord made a mistake
BDL Ltd has one Carbine butt stock there. It needs a small amount of work due to a chip in the stock - but it is original - -
It took three attempts, but I finally got what looks to be an original #5 butt stock from SARCO. It looks to be in pretty nice shape, too. You might give them a try, if you're willing to be patient.
Have a '45 M47C....Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
Looks like it has No. 4 forestock, carved to No. 5 outer shape. Hard to see for sure from the photo. The giveaway is the gap at the right front of the receiver, right beside the bolt head. This was to clear the boss for the OLD magazine cutoff boss,. The boss was milled off the No.5 but left on the No.4. A small gouge was milled into the No.4 wood to make room for the boss, and it looks like this stock has one.
The metal that we can see is all legit No.5, no pic of the flash hider or trigger guard, or rear sight. Should be marked to 800 yards.
Definitely not worth anywhere near $500. More like $200, if action & barrel are good, at least in Canada.
You would need at least the buttstock & forestock to make it legit.
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Looks like it has No. 4 forestock, carved to No. 5 outer shape. Hard to see for sure from the photo. The giveaway is the gap at the right front of the receiver, right beside the bolt head. This was to clear the boss for the OLD magazine cutoff boss,. The boss was milled off the No.5 but left on the No.4. A small gouge was milled into the No.4 wood to make room for the boss, and it looks like this stock has one.
The metal that we can see is all legit No.5, no pic of the flash hider or trigger guard, or rear sight. Should be marked to 800 yards.
Definitely not worth anywhere near $500. More like $200, if action & barrel are good, at least in Canada.
You would need at least the buttstock & forestock to make it legit.
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I stand corrected. Thank you. I had been (mis) informed that only Faz made the No.5
My apologies.