.U. Flip on Ebay,

Looked over some nice items being offered by a Ebay seller, who among other things has a NOS Inland barrel complete with Type I barrel band, UI marked swivel, N marked frt sight... etc dated 1-43.

Sellers items,
eBay: fireside24315

Looked over his feedback and can see he's sold a lot of carbine parts.
Did happen to see this advertised as a WRA frt sight that sold for $92.66.
Has anyone ever seen a WRA frt sight with this type ridge?

WRA Front sight,
M1 Carbine WinchesterType 1 Front Sight unmarked | eBay

Here he offers a .U. marked flip sight. The .U. is marked up side down on the tall leaf, same as the few I own. But look closely and you'll see a S stamped over another style S. Also see that small familiar hole on the bottom of the base you'd find on a Iver johnson style flip sight. To the sellers credit he does state to decide before you bid if this is a original part.

.U. Flip Sight,
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Your thoughts?

Thx,
Charlie-painter777



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It looks as though the "S" was stamped after the dings. Something causes me to take issue with this sight :confused:

When I blow the picture up of the Ebay flip, I can clearly see a new smaller S stamped over another different style S.

If that leaf was/is real I'd buy, trash the base and install on a .U. base I have here.



FWIW,
Charlie-painter777


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I'm not to sure all the other stuff he has is legit either. That re-stamped "S" speaks volumes.

Charlie, I'm by no means an expert on these type I sights but......

I've bought a couple of things from that seller and they were good. HOWEVER, then I saw a flip sight, but in fairness he has a disclaimer that he couldn't swear it to be USGI. The other items I've seen that were GI he said they were absolutely GI. Based on that, it's not GI to me.

Should that NOS barrel have a proof mark on it, or is that done after it's been installed on a receiver and test fired? - Thanks, Bob

This photo doesn't show it well, but the machining marks are the same.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...4494e1eb-1.jpg

Dave,
I printed off a pic of that WRA frt sight in the past auction. When holding a known WRA sight up to it, I can clearly see the shape of the outer ears match.
Still shocked it pulled in $92.

Thx,
Charlie

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Originally Posted by USGI

Should that NOS barrel have a proof mark on it, or is that done after it's been installed on a receiver and test fired? - Thanks, Bob

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Test fired in a jig. IIRC then P proof stamped. When sent to other makers, you may see 2 different style P stamp marks.

Charlie-painter777

Just to be clear,
A barrel having 2 P firing proof stamps is pretty common.
First it would be fired in a jig set up by the barrel maker before assembly. If OK it gets the first stamped P.
The maker who receives the barrel then fires it once again as a completed carbine, very likely to be stamped again with the P.
So 2 P's means it's been proof fired twice. I think the most commonly found 2 P stamped barrels are found on makers using the free barrel program. This is why you can find different Shape size and style stamped P's on a barrel.

Bob,
I think I'm pretty close here, without digging out the Newsletters.

HTH,
Charlie

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Originally Posted by painter777

Dave,
I printed off a pic of that WRA frt sight in the past auction. When holding a known WRA sight up to it, I can clearly see the shape of the outer ears match.
Still shocked it pulled in $92.

Thx,
Charlie

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Charlie, if that were an Lyman Gun Sight Corp. "L" marked Winchester front sight it would be more like twice that :)

Charlie, if that were an Lyman Gun Sight Corp. "L" marked Winchester front sight it would be more like twice that

Bill,
I only have 1 L marked one and it's attached to a WRA I'm still paying for.
But after seeing what that Ebay WRA sight sold for. I may very well dig out the 6 WRA frt sights I do have. Noticed frt sights are high lately. Also have 5 or 6 WRA triggers, sears and extra "EW" safeties, along with 1 early checkered (I believe to be WRA or RMC used).
Been trying to watch going rates now that Ebay will allow parts again. Have extra barrels, bolts, slides, housings, stocks etc that I don't need anymore. Never had any luck on GB as far as selling, but may try GB or here on the sell page for a couple receivers - 5 mil Inland, W code- 2 mil Underwood. I just seem to get lost in the hundreds of auction pages on GB. Goal being sell enough to pay off a 1,030K WRA in issued condition.

OHH, Those rear sight bases I pictured. I have 7 of those. All are real, 5 are missing the leafs,pins and springs. I have 1 real leaf, 1 real pin and 1 repro leaf spring, (old leaf spring was rusted in half) That's how I found that .U. marking after wire brushing out the crud from inside. May I stress here that though no one would want to take a flip sight apart, be sure to get some oil under the spring !!
I may have to find correctly made repro leafs and offer the flip sights as only being HALF REPRO !! :lol:

Cheers Bill,
Charlie-painter777

I have a RMC project I plan to finish this summer. Have everything I need for it, but time :bitch:

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I think I may hold the world record selling price for a front sight. I couldnt believe it, but it acutally sold for over $170!

Rockola M1 Carbine front sight | eBay

mpd1978,
You rule !!

:bow:

Wow......

Charlie-painter777

mpd1978,

Holy cow. Here, sell mine for me.

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I was expecting $50 and would have been happy with $40. I paid $15 for it at a GS recently, it was attached to a demilled section of barrel. The guy had a dozen of them, many were coded WW2 production front sights. I should have bought them all.

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Originally Posted by mpd1978

I was expecting $50 and would have been happy with $40. I paid $15 for it at a GS recently, it was attached to a demilled section of barrel. The guy had a dozen of them, many were coded WW2 production front sights. I should have bought them all.

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It must've been the last item he needed and wasn't finding one. Yep, you should've bought them all. We never have that kinda stuff at shows. Nothing but mags and an odd stock.

That repro'd .U. flip sold for $86.00,
Underwood M1 Carbine Type 1 Rear Flip Sight Marked S | eBay

Same seller has more parts up for sale.
For some of his items he states "I believe it is a reproduction not original USGI. It fits properly and function correctly"
On others he adds "Please use your our judgement to determine if this an reproduction or original part and bid accordingly"

This Type II band is a sure repro...
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Even though the seller states this about some of his parts ( like the mag catches) " I believe it is a reproduction not original USGI", people are still bidding on them.
I guess I just don't understand :confused:

Must be cheaper than George?

FWIW,
Charlie-painter777