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Would this carbine have left the CMP equipped as shown in the auction? I've heard they don't ordinarily have slings and oilers. That type sling is not generally accepted as being USGI, and I believe the cast recoil plate may be post war. Nice acceptance stamp too. Maybe the seller isn't implying that the accessories came from the CMP, but he is saying all the parts on the gun did. - Bob
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=281643095
Hey Bob,
The metal is probably as it came, but what would concern me more is the history of this particular seller.
He's definitely known to mix real with fake. The acceptance stamp may be fine, however he has a known history of faking these as well.
I would expect any CMP carbine to be 100% USGI, and from what I can tell it is. I cannot say if it 100% 'AS-MANUFACTURED' but parts could have been replaced between 1945 and whenever this one was taken out of service.
About the only thing I would really question is the Neidner(N) front sight. At that late of a date I would suspect a Rudy Furnace(R) front sight. Neidner lost the contract in fall of 1944 and Rudy Furnace was awarded the contract at that time.
Yeah, it's probably all USGI parts but I'm questioning whether it has the same parts as when it left the CMP. Would they have replaced the bolt with one showing no wear on top, in relation to the wear evident on the receiver? It doesn't even look like the stock has been oiled since the IO was stamped in the slingwell and the acceptance stamp just looks too fresh to me. I've owned a sling like that with the odd weave and green "speckles." The sling also has the shiny black "scant" C tips that are questionable. Also, the 2 rivet handguard wouldn't be the right for a late Inland. I never thought about the front sight until I saw lbelflowers' post, but I think he's right - then I noticed what looks like some "doctoring" of the muzzle area in front of the sight. - Bob
Old Sam is at it again and the SG he also has for sale is once again another put together with real and fake parts.
Bruce,
He stays at it.
Smart enough now to wait until the parts (especially receivers) time out on the auctions and the pictures can't be pulled back up to follow his builds.
He's been buying heavy on ebay also again.
Same color used on every stock......... Same batch of fake CC stamps,
I especially hate the way they tint their pictures green, to give that aged look.
Charlie-painter777
Charlie,
Do you think the green tint could just be a result of taking the pictures with fluorescent lighting? I've had that happen to me.
How about the CC stamp? Any thoughts on it??? It looks suspect to me.
Looks like a poor quality fake to me.
I don't Jim.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimF4M1s
I look at the white background in many of the 'Metal pictures' and see that same green washed on the paper.
Using Microsoft pictures to tint/shade these pics, IMHO.
Here's a picture I did the same thing to as an experiment.... I just tinted it farther than most of theirs:
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...SC044861-1.jpg
Here are actually pics from S-T-Bobs own past GB listings, Note the use of a light green background making and shiny metal take on the green hue.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...10/06/12-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...10/06/21-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...010/06/6-1.jpg
I also believe the use of a green tint has been used on other freshly parked parts from time to time. More than likely applied then baked on:
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...DSC07007-1.jpg
In Doubt? Look thru the pictures of the current SG auction they have. Look how the white background has that (been messed with) green tint on it. The 'TINT' is white on some pics, green hue on others.
Note pics #9 and #15 have the tinted background and also show more of a green hue on the metal. Not as bad as they use to be. I've brought this to the attention of forum members on a few other occasions
M1 Carbine - Saginaw Gear (SG) w/H/W Stock : Curios & Relics at GunBroker.com
Here are some past auctions by them showing more examples...
M1 Carbine - Quality Hardware w/H/W Stock : Curios & Relics at GunBroker.com
M1 Carbine - National Postal Meter ("U" coded) : Curios & Relics at GunBroker.com
Ever seen a Green Adj rear Sight? Check pictures #3, also look at #6, #13
M1 Carbine - Rock-Ola - "Early '44" : Curios & Relics at GunBroker.com
I do see they've lightened up on the color tweaking in the last year or so.
IMHO,
Charlie-painter777
Charlie,
I see your point.
The "Authentic CMP" Inland sold for $970 today. Probably not that bad of a deal, being a CMP gun and including some "extras." - Bob
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=281643095
that came on my SG NPM. Nice example of the cartouche still very sharp, and the IO w/bomb in sling well. The one on mine seems just a bit smaller and the belt isn't as wide. The IO is exactly the same size for both letters (they appear different on the CIQ) and they are of course a bit darker. I guess that stock could be genuine but it seems slightly off. Not a bad price for a handstamp: I'm about to part with considerably more for a 5.4 that is supposed to be an NRA gun as good or better.