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I have a 1943 izhevsk 91/30 with the serial number "3C1217" which i'm turning into a repro sniper
I recently stumbled on this:
Original World War II PU Rifle Sniper Scopes.
any know the correct manufacturer or particular serial numbers a izhevsk PU sniper would have?
I plan to make this as a home project for a very convincing replica
Is the rifle an ex-sniper, with filled mount holes? I have never run across a 3C prefix can you take a picture of the barrel shank with the markings?
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Originally Posted by Teggy
OMG! Looking at those prices, I now realize I got a "free" 1943 M91/30 sniper with my scope and mounting.
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Originally Posted by Teggy
The C in a cyrillic markings would be an S in romanized lettering. So what looks like 3C1217 may be a mark that is listed elsewhere as 3S1217, since I imagine not many of us have a cyrillic keyboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrtank
I use this for my Cyrillic needs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick Chadwick
I have never run across a single rifle with a number as part of the prefix, not on a ex-sniper or standard 91/30.
That is why I asked for a picture of the barrel shank, I it may be a partial stamp.
sorry for the dogey photo, I am technologically retarded :p
also what's the infinity symbol above the soviet crest?
I have seen the lazy 8 on other rifles before, it is one of the marks that we don't know why they put it on the rifles. Very may be a mark put there during refurbishment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teggy
That is deftly a nice crisp strike, interesting prefix. I personally wouldn't recommend spending the money on a WW2 scope for a standard 91/30. The Ukrainian reproduction PU scopes are quit nice, they function the same as the WW2 PU scopes and aren't as expensive. You can find them on Ebay. Other wise for a 1943 Izhevesk as far as I have seen the proper scope would be a Progress or a 1943 manufacture NKV Yoshkar-Ola.
Accumounts also sells a modern reproduction PU scope on ebay, it is also cheaper than a WW2 scope.
hrm I all ready had the mount installed... hope I didn't destroy something...
I'll have a look at the ukrainian repro, I'm curious to see how this shoots.
also is the tolerance on the forend normal? I thought there was meant to be a gap, I was about to cork (found an article) it when I noticed this
All 3 of my genuine PU snipers ('43, '44 Izhevsk, '44 Tula) have a mismatch in length of the top handguard to stock. The '44 Izhevsk has a bigger gap than the other two, but I don't think there is any signifigance.
Here's the '44 Izhevsk...
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...IMG_3090-1.jpg
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Very convincing to who? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Teggy
haha no I'm not that way inclined, I'm a hoarderQuote:
Originally Posted by jjjxlr8
I bought this rifle when I was 17 and only after an afghan deployment have the money to turn it into what I originally wanted
I was talking more about the gap between the stock and barrel, i've heard people cork it to improve accuracy but mine doesn't have a gap...
Thinking about buying this one
PU 91/30 scope for sniper Mosin Nagant 91/30 1943
Made by Factory #297 NKV Yoshkar-Ola in 1943, #4318485. It has the original rifle and scope serial number on the mount but I'd rather use a repro mount because I doubt the zero for the original rifle is the same as mine. Plus the scope looks in good nick and doesn't have any post war refurbishing marks
Also what process did the old russian gunsmiths use to polish the receiver? I'm considering if this is a worthwhile task...
managed to take a better photo of the receiver, definitely looks like a "3C" starting
wish someone kept a record of what that "8" was
I would bet it is a mark that was used during a refurbishment. http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...912#post739912 another example of a lazy 8 on a Mosin, this time a Tula m44 on hex receiver.
One of the Ukrainian make PU replica scopes http://www.ebay.com/itm/RUSSIAN-MOSI...item231e4baf87 And another one. http://www.ebay.com/itm/SOVIET-RUSSI...item4166e86915
Polishing the receiver to me wouldn't be worth while. It would be a lot of work for not much in return. Could instead work on the trigger, and the bolt
I wasn't trying to imply that you were intending to cheat someone. I just meant that serious (or even casual collectors like myself) who collect genuine PU snipers will be able to tell the difference. There are many small details that are unique to the snipers when compared to a regular infantry rifle.
Don't waste your time polishing the receiver and barrel shank. It will look better left as is, IMO.
Here's a '43 Izhevsk PU sniper for comparison. sorry for the poor photo, but you can see the smooth surface with no coarse turning marks.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...IMG_2703-1.jpg
Here's a picture of the scope serial number from the same rifle...
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...IMG_2709-1.jpg
Guys, just look slowly at the 1943 (the mark is actually 1943 with a cyrillic "G" tagged on)
Look at the 3.
Now look at the supposed 3C1217
Note how the "3" is strongly curved.
It is NOT a 3, but a cyrillic "Z" (as in "zoo")
SO the romanized version would actually be ZS1217
Which makes it a plausible number.
QED (I think)
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Patrick
I notice that this scope is no longer listed (did you buy it?).Quote:
Originally Posted by Teggy
Anyway, as far as the zero is concerned, what makes you think that a repro is zeroed for your rifle?
They all have to be zeroed, if for no other reason than that you will probably not be using the same ammo as way back when. And will you be using a sling, or a sandbag? If you want to get the ultimate out of the rifle (which might well be sub-MOA accuracy at 100 yards) then these little things make a noticeable difference - even the way you hold it.
So it does not matter what scope you buy. You will have to zero it on your rifle, with your ammo, with you shooting.
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Patrick
I just took a look at Ivan the Terrible. The date is also 1943 with a cyrillic "G" (looks like an "r"). As is the case for the other two Mosins in this thread. Is that just a coincidence? Or where all 1943s marked wth the "r". And what does the "r" signify?
The "r" is the abbreviation for the Russian word "god." Which means "year."
Thanks Patric I missed that Z. I have a 43 and a 42 Izhevsk ex-snipers that are missing the r.
Yes I bought it, sorry should of elaborated. The original scope mount would of all ready been ground off for the zero of the old rifle, which would make it difficult to zero for another, but a repro will have all the metal still there, which means it will be easier to zero for mine. That's to my understanding as far as my knowledge goesQuote:
Originally Posted by Patrick Chadwick
ah that explains it, thanks! never noticed thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Patrick Chadwick
haha don't worry I know what you meant, I've seen the vast number of mosin PU fakes but they haven't fooled me and i'm rather new to this. But to me they just look dogey and poorly made, I plan to refurbish this myself, and I wouldn't do that to an original (no i'm not touching the original scope, it's all ready in good condition so i'm matching the condition of the rifle to the scope)Quote:
Originally Posted by jjjxlr8
all it all it should be a fun project and i'm learning so much about these rifles along the way :)