Century International has them on sale for 50 bucks if you get 3 or more.:yikes:
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Century International has them on sale for 50 bucks if you get 3 or more.:yikes:
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Originally Posted by gandog56
Not much use for us guys here in Canada, but if you don't buy at least three, the day will come when you'll wish you had. Remember the days of the Turk Mauser threefers for $129? The $99 K31?
In Canada it may be 10 years, but the day will come when the now dirt cheap Steyrs and Carcanos will finally get some respect.
What is the caliber? Shop is closing by me they have some in rack.
hang tags indicate 8mmx36. Is this the standard 8MM Mauser round?
Also does it require the old .816" diameter bullet, not the current .823"?
Are chargers still available?
directions for further info?
Thanks.
They take an odd 8x56 rimmed round that requires a "clip" to hold the cartridges in the magwell, The lips of the clip also act as feed guides.
Bullet diameter on these cartridges is .329. Some 8mm mausers have .318 but most have .323 diameter bullets.
The problm is the ammo. You have to decide to make it ourself, dies from RCBS, Cases from Graf's etc, but it is at best a curiosity piece at this time. Although it is one that will probably not be regulated by the gubment in the future.
I don't know if Hornady loads ammunition or not, but they do make the .329 bullets.
Hornady did do a run of ammo in 8x56R SP, I don't know if was limited or an occasional production item. I bought 10 boxes of it to hunt with and for the brass. I've never reloaded any yet, have get around to ordering the dies. When I bought my first one I also got a box of 250 1938 manufactured ammo, mainly because it came with the enbloc clips (wish I had bought more at $50/250). I don't if Hornady made the projectiles, but Buffalo sells them. Brass is Privi.
When International was still in Montreal, Quebec, I miss those days, they sold thousands of those carbines. They also sold the ammunition you're talking about but only by the 1000 round case.
I bought several of the rifles and chopped most of them up as they are quite strong and accurate. They made cheap learning actions for those that wanted to play with them. We converted them to 303 Brit but they were basicly single shots as the clips wouldn't hold the cartridges reliably and also a few of them to 45-70. The 45-70 was better but we had to trim the rims to fit into the clips.
It's to bad the rim on that cartridge is such an odd ball as it makes conversion to anything else rather pointless. I do own one that has been converted to an 8x57 that doesn't require enblocs and have a friend with one converted to 7.62x51. They are the model M95M and I think were converted by different nations after WWI that received them as war reparations.
I'v also been told that Greece and Yugoslavia converted some of them to 7.62x54 but I've never seen one nor can I find any documentation on them, so it's more than likely just smoke in the wind.
The Austrian / Hungarian cartridge 8x56R (M30) is NOT the same as the standard 8x57 Mauser cartridge.
The older 8x50R (M93) cartridge WILL take the 0.323 bullets, as used for 8mm Mauser.
BUT 0.323 bullets are undersized for the 8x56R (M30). Undersized bullets mean tipping and lousy grouping. Same problem as for Carcanos - you MUST have the right bullet to get good results.
Cases: I only know of Privi.
Bullets: Hornady.
Dies: RCBS, CH4D, Lee
Clips: can be found for anything up to 5 EU in Germany. I got 10 for 10 EU in Vienna, but that's a long way to go just for clips!
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has surplus 8x56R ammo in their latest list. I think this is a definite case of "buy now while stocks last" - do not gripe in ten years time about nothing being available - you had your chance!
Recommended book:
"Mannlicher Miltary Rifles" by Paul Scarlata, Mowbray, ISBN: 1-93164-14-6
If I lived where you do, I would get 3 at 50$ each. Like Carcanos, these rifles are undervalued, probably because few people take the trouble to get hold of the correct bullets and do some careful reloading.
Patrick
Sorry guys, first the software didn't want to post at all, now it's appeared twice - "sticky" electronics, I think!
Patrick
Now it's only once - I think my computer needs to cool down or something.
Patrick
Loading for the rifle is not complicated since Graf's and Sons usually has the brass and I purchase .338 bullets and using a Lee sizing die reduce them to .329". Works great but I find the lightweight rifle produces a monsterous recoil, so much so that it's difficult for me to fire more than 15 rounds at one time.
If you cast, LEE also makes a single cavity mold for this cartridge. Its a 205 gr, gas checked bullet and is readily available through the LEE supply chain.
tbhupe
I also heard something about Lee discontinuing it, and selling off the ones they have.