I saw an Australian Lithgow Enfield dated 1943 with a green band painted around the stock, just behind where your right hand rests. Is the marking specific to a unit? Does it have any significance at all? Thanks
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I saw an Australian Lithgow Enfield dated 1943 with a green band painted around the stock, just behind where your right hand rests. Is the marking specific to a unit? Does it have any significance at all? Thanks
Jungle use only. :madsmile:
Used by a cadet unit - designates safe to fire live ammunition.
Thanks for the info. I guess it never actually used in battle then.
Given the state of things in '43, it's a pretty safe bet that it saw active service before it's career with the cadets.
Son has it in one! Acccording to the UK (and presumably Australian) EMER's, non service pattern weapon certified for use with ball ammo
Added later. Oooooops, sorry. Said SON when I meant to say ROWDY!
What does non service pattern weapon mean? Was it built to different specifications?Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
It means not a current issue front line weapon. Hence Cadet Forces.
Does this make them more or less valuable?
I dont think it makes any difference to value.
Ok really curious about this. In australia we also have cadet rifles with yellow nosecaps. I understand the difference between green and yellow but why green around the butt and yellow around the nosecap? Was there different levels of cadets? Were yellow painted rifles fir school cadets?
The one I saw had no yellow on it only the green band on the stock.
My last post might be misunderstood. I'm talking about rifles with either yellow on the nosecap or green band on the butt. I've never seen both combined.
I have one that at one time had yellow on the nose cap
Yellow (or white) is DP, green is fit to fire but unless you have a mixed up butt, you can't have both.
Peter in Australia cadets rifles with yellow nosecaps are not regarded as being DP'd to my knowledge. This is a bit of a grey area for me. Id like to understand better the cadet system in Australia and how the rifles were marked accordingly
We had some Cadets units/schools under our wing in Australia and as I remember it, we had both yellow and white markings on rifles and Brens which following the UK practice I took to mean DP. Mind you, in the UK, yellow at the time indicated blank firing attachments. We also had DP L1A1's in the system too - at Kapooka as I recall - but I never saw them to recognise as they were left standard finish
But a green band, as we had on the last of the old No1 EY rifles and some AK47's/PKM's/RPD's etc etc indicates non service but certiified fit to fire ball or blank (or ballastite in the case of the EY's)
Remember that is an AUSTRALIAN Cadet Unit. I have never seen that coloured band system in use in the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rowdy
In the UK, coloured bands (usually based on Arm of Service colours) were often used by Army Cadet Force Units to differentiate their rifles from those of other units.
I'm sure I've posted this on here before, EMEI WEAPON D 259, 3. Selected rifles are to function mechanically and woodwork is to be free from cracks and splitting which may interfere with normal handling.
4. Selected rifles are to be converted as follows:
a. Grind about 15mm from front of firing pin.
b. Fill in firing pin hole with weld.
c. Stamp or engrave the letters 'DP' adjacent to the rifle serial numbers.....................
PAINTING.
5. Paint a 75mm wide golden yellow band 60mm forward from the rear of the butt where the butt plate is screwed on, and another band 75mm wide at the handguards left and right. Paint in black the letters 'DP' 25mm high on each side of the butt and on each side of handguard adjacent to each other.
According to skennerton:-
Green indicates approval for ball ammunition firing - yellow. 2nd grade but still suitable for live firing - red, not to be fired. (TL-E p351)
I think that these answers, being a mix of Pom and Aust EMER's have pretty-well summed it up.
How's that for a comprehensive reply. It's what's called 'the wisdom of the crowd.
But as an aside. Do the Cadet Forces still exist in the local towns and Public Schools in Australia/New Zealand as they do in the UK. My sons school had (when he was there.....) and still have a thriving Cadet Force where one or two dads are able to 'provide' all manner of 'stuff' - if you understand what I'm saying.
Further to this, and don't tell anyone I told you, but occasionally, I'd be asked to run sons school Cadets Sunday morning range practice at one of the local 1/200 yard or 25 yard ranges. Just to inject a spark of realism as opposed to the dry old by-the-book rubbish that the school or Training team staff used to preach. So I'd bring along 6 of the standard L85/SA80 rifles instead of their issue single shot, hand cocking, bolt action, prone to stoppages rifles. When the junior ranking Cadets had done their thing, the more senior lads would get to grips with the real McCoy (no auto fire though---- too dodgy.....) and sail smartly and quickly through their range classification. More happy days but with ever tightening safety rules, these days are becoming a thing of the past.
Is it the same in Canada, Aust and NZ?
The fact that this gun was issued to the Cadet Corps seems to be certain. But being from the USA , I don't know what the Australian Cadet Corp is. Can anybody help me out on this?
Google is your friend.
Australian Army Cadets - a National Youth Program - Australian Army
I suspect that the yellow band indicates that it was sold out of service and diposed of. Cheers Ross
No eiclan and others. Yellow or white band is DP. Green band, - both as detailed earlier
at the risk of sounding dumb what do you mean by DP? drill practice?Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
I'm not going to go through the meaning of DP again as it's already been flogged to death on the site several times but in short, it indicates a rifle that has been relegated to DRILL PURPOSE. Drill in this regard isn't rifle drill or marching (although it can I suppose.....), but it means 'drill' as in weapons training and shooting training/sight setting/aiming, fieldcraft, recruit training, Assault courses............... you know the sort of thing where you can slog the 'drill' rifle to death without harming the real McCoy
Anyone else care to add another few pages......
.........:banghead::bash::banghead::bash:
So, didn't bother to read the last 2 pages then.Quote:
Originally Posted by eiclan
Thank you for being patient with me Peter, others mehh not so much
NRA,
Don't take it to hard or personal... the boys on this Forum are cold eyed "killers" when it comes to details and guns. But generally are good "peoples". Like you and I however.... we are only NEW once! Ask the questions, brave the fire.... and join the expert crowd!