Those mad kiwis are at it again...
NO.4 .303 experimental short carbine | Trade Me
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Those mad kiwis are at it again...
NO.4 .303 experimental short carbine | Trade Me
RJW, do you know any more about this or is it just a home made shorty up for a quick sale? I ask because there might be much, much more to it that I learned of while in NZ where I found the remains of another with the correct story attached
Maybe it belonged to one of those little folk from Hobbiton around Matamata.
Paul
(i think I would have just purchased a taller fridge.)
It's for shooting on those hot days.
Is that my hat and coat? Ta.
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Interesting.... On this one however I am innocent of any explanation, I suspect homemade in the fashion of a pig bail up rifle, a somewhat popular style here, to cut a 303 very short.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
It reminds me of one of those very short Russian carbines of the big flame and loud report.
The listing says he used a sporterised rifle to make it.
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Gives cold steel a real meaning...
Cool gun safe!
Thanks Paul - can't get this image of squads of "vertically challenged" people stomping around the hills down there!
Mind you, that's a pack of hobbits I'd leave well alone!
Silly Kiwi, everyone know a shotgun is the best for beer defense.
In my younger days I shotgunned every beer in sight. Now I only do away with the ones that are threatening me.
:lol::lol::lol:I just fell from my chair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevo
Canada produces the best humor hands down.:clap::clap:
Too true,Quote:
Originally Posted by HOOKED ON HISTORY
Don't laugh at this rifle because while it might LOOK a bit, er......... off the wall, there is a bit of provenance to the theory of it. I might have mentioned it before - in fact I am sure I have, but while I was an NZ, I found the remains of a VERY similar looking No4 in a locked store cupboard at our big workshop at the big Ordnance Depot at Ngaruawahia, known to all you Kiwis as Hopu-Hopu Camp on the Hamilton to Taupiri road.
My boss, WO2 Annandale told me that it was the remains of a shortened lightweight rifle that NZ was developing for the invasion of Malaya, Singapore and everywhere else with Britain, Australia and Canada. Unfortunately, the bomb put an end to this project. As a bit of an aside, it also put an end to Japan too but we're not too interested in that here! Anyway..........
Britain had the No5 in hand, Canada had the drawings plus it's own lightweight (but hardly a shortie.....), Aust had a No6 in hand and so NZ looked at a similar lightweight. And the remains I found was one of the many prototypes that were around that everyone had lost interest in. Furthermore, it looked JUST like that fridge rifle - from what I could tell.
Basically, the butt was visibly and clearly lightened in its width. Nothing else was different up until the lower band and when you got to the lower band, it looked as though you'd got to the muzzle of the rifle. Everything was the same.
The upper handguard cap was fitted to the slightly altered lower handguard and the;
fore-end cap was fitted to and matched up with the upper hanguard cap so that the;
upper band held the two together as per normal and the;
sling loop was now fitted to the upper band.
One bit that did intrigue me was that the flip-over backsight had one leaf cut across half way to form a sort of SMLE open sight closer to the eye that I thought was because most NZ soldiers had been bought up on the SMLE style of backsights. The ASM told (or the paperwork.....) suggested that such an open sight allowed a degree of quick response with reasonable accuracy shooting that you wouldn't get with an aperture sight
The barrel was shortened and just as we've been discussing here lately, the barrel was complete, with foresight band blocks and bayonet lugs that were correctly aligned.
There was lots of odds and sods missing and I asked the ASM if I could complete it. I did a few bits but didn't pay it much attention but I did put it in the small collection of weapons that we had there that I think belonged to the Ordnance Depot. There were some papers around and I recall that the barrel length was dictated by the thickness at the point where it was cut and machined so that the vibrations that would drastically affect undamped accuracy were damped by the diametrical weight.
I wouldn't mind betting that these remains ended up at Waiouru where the rest of the stuff went and somewhere in the Government archives, there will be other paperwork that details these rifles. The other coincidence is that when I spoke to Bruce Gorton in Invercargill about these rifles, he had heard of then and I seem to remember that he had seen one and mentioned the reason why they were scrapped and I have a feeling that it was something to do with the fact that the rifles were lend lease and didn't actually belong to NZ. But I don't know.
That's my only interest
Dan Ackroid, John Candy, Phil Hartman etc etc....Quote:
Originally Posted by RJW NZ
One question eh. Is it the beer,the cold weather or other factors I have not concidered?
BTW NZ and Australia have the prettiest women. Or is it the accent?
NZ girls....helen clark, sue bradford.... yummy yummy, time for a Tui :)
It's the long cold winters, stuck inside with nothing to do but watch hockey and make sure the block heater in your car is still working.Quote:
Originally Posted by HOOKED ON HISTORY
I'm guessing you've not seen Trailer Park Boys.
Lucy Lawless.
Oh Yea!Quote:
Originally Posted by muffett.2008
Not my intention to take this thread on a tangent but oh yea!
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Not yet but thanks for the heads up. I will now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevo
Be warned, it's not exactly kid friendly, language wise. :rofl:Quote:
Not yet but thanks for the heads up. I will now.
Search youtube for "Rickyisms".;)
No, no, no! You've all got it wrong! The freezing is a cunning trick to tighten up the headspace by shrinking the rifle :madsmile:
American version:Attachment 35101
In .45 ACP.
Your beer is safe!
I appreciate the humour but harking back to thread 13 for a re-read, I think someone ought to go back to the seller and ask him where he got that exact idea from or did anything in particular prompt him because it is just tooooooo similar to the actual (and looks reasonably well done too from the picture) to be some spur of the moment garage hacksaw jobbie......... Just my thoughts.
What about one of you Kiwi's having a chat with him. It might be that he's seen a survivor at Ngaruawahia or Waiouru and thought........